Tuesday, April 20, 2021

Universities Are Battlegrounds for America's Future - Oklahoma University and Mandatory Conformity

 "Conformity is the enemy of conscience" - Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr

This week, the University of Oklahoma in Norman, Oklahoma, the university near and dear to my family, received an appropriate "hand slap" from The Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE) and the Oklahoma Council of Public Affairs.

The Higher Learning Commission may choose harsher treatment for Oklahoma University in the future. 

OU is accused of forcing conformity of staff and students to certain moral, political, and cultural positions that the individual staff member or student could not support. Further, the administration of OU is accused of attempting to cover up the forcible attempts to program the thinking of students and faculty by refusing to share its "diversity training materials" with the press.

German national officials went before international tribunals at Nuremberg from 1945-1949 for their attempts to program the German populace "to think a certain way" during the 1930s. These German government officials were convicted for their efforts to punish individual Germans who refused to affirm and acquiesce to German nationalist "group think." 

The atmosphere at the University of Oklahoma  - as well as other colleges and universities around the United States - is beginning to look a great deal like Germany did in the 1930s. 

According to an editorial written by Jonathan Small, President of the Oklahoma Council of Public Affairs, the University of Oklahoma crossed the line of "mandatory diversity training" by enforcing students or staff to endorse specific viewpoints during the university's mandatory diversity training program.

For example, in one part of the training ('re-education?'), a student is shown a video of a fellow student saying that he is "tired of all this transgender stuff." The student watching the video is then given various choices to express his or her feelings including, "I agree. Political correctness can be so tiring." 

If the student chooses, "I agree. Political correctness can be so tiring," then that student is not allowed to proceed in the course. A personal message is sent instead: "You seem upset. What's the matter?" After answering a few more questions, the university will then take the student back to the beginning of the diversity training course and REPEAT the video that the student has already watched. The course cannot be completed until the student gives those answers deemed "appropriate" by the university.

In other words, the University of Oklahoma is telling students how they should feel about transgender advocacy, as well as other current cultural issues.

The question that every Oklahoman should be asking is simple: 

"Why is OU telling students and faculty the 'correct' or 'right' way to feel about moral issues?"

As Jonathan Small writes: 

"It's one thing for college to be a place where students are exposed to opinions different than those held by their families, and something else altogether to force students to embrace beliefs they do not hold."  

Attempts to suppress free thought, free speech, and free choice at America's public universities are real.

A secularist will tell a Chrisitan: "Go to a private university and pay tuition if you want to be taught Christian values." Very well and good. But this Christian will tell a secularist: "I will not stand by as my tax dollars are used at my state public university to demand that everyone believe a certain way." There is more than one religion, and demands that my kids conform to yours is unacceptable.

Our state's public university's attempt for all its faculty and students to affirm an amoral, atheistic philosophy must be - and is being - challenged legally.  For when diversity training turns into a conformity test, the university has become the enemy of conscience and culture. 


Christiane said...

"The student watching the video is then given various choices to express his or her feelings including, "I agree. Political correctness can be so tiring."

If the student chooses, "I agree. Political correctness can be so tiring," then that student is not allowed to proceed in the course. A personal message is sent instead: "You seem upset. What's the matter?" After answering a few more questions, the university will then take the student back to the beginning of the diversity training course and REPEAT the video that the student has already watched. The course cannot be completed until the student gives those answers deemed "appropriate" by the university."

Hello WADE,
if this is all really happening, it looks a lot like what we used to call 'Programmed Learning" . . . another term for it as you have described it would be 'Propaganda' :)

I can't imagine a person being put through something like that. It almost sounds like an 'experiment' to see how many people say 'WAIT A MINUTE, HERE' and refuse to continue ! This kind of 'programmed learning' is a form of propaganda in my opinion and I myself would not participate as a staff member or a student.

Honestly, WADE, it sounds like some kind of a psychological experiment to see who agrees to be put through it and who says 'no way'. What a mess! The way pressure is put on people to 'complete' the 'training' is way out of line indeed. I hope even the 'liberal' staff at Oklahoma University take a stand opposing this 'requirement'. And you are right: the format could be adapted to any kind of propaganda, even the worst we have seen in German history. No wonder people are upset about it.

Wade Burleson said...


Well put! "What a mess!"

I have no problem - at all! - with various viewpoints taught, heard, and affirmed.

But... conformity is the enemy of conscience.

Thanks for the comment!

Paul D said...


"Our state's public university..."

I'm personally offended. There are other public universities in our state :)

Honestly though, I'm a bit surprised that there are legal challenges against what they are doing. I would have expected this type of thing to be held up as the golden standard. This sort of thing is happening very regularly by major employers/corporations. Glad it's being called out.


Wade Burleson said...


"There are other public universities in our state."

Touche! :)

It's high time to call out all of them.

Rex Ray said...


It’s bad for college students who are old enough to think for themselves to have pressure put on them to change their thinking.

But what do you think about WOKE ‘brainwashing’ children in the first grade?

Policeman Chauvin found guilty on all charges of causing the death of George Floyd!

Sounds like JUSTICE, but it doesn’t bring Floyd back.

RB Kuter said...

I believe the Board of Regents ultimately in control of university academia is appointed by state legislators, is that right?

Graduates are the product coming from those universities and they determine the approach that will be taken (indoctrination) from pre-school through subsequent university level education in the future. They will also fill those Boards of Education that determine curriculum and methods in the local level throughout the nation. Seems the appointed State Boards of Regents are the root of the tree producing the fruit and they are appointed by state politicians.

To complain to individual universities, schools, or Education Boards,about the ideology being forced into the brains of students of all levels seems fruitless to me. Seems the more effective approach would be to promote changing the highest level of administrators (Boards of Regents) who ultimately determine the trend that education takes.

If state legislators are the accountability source, wouldn't it be best for their constituency to actively put pressure on them to change those in control of education and replace them with administrators who have a more objective approach that is more educational instead of pure indoctrination?

RB Kuter said...


Can we make that announcement???!!!

RB Kuter said...

I would contribute all of my COVID money to that campaign! Well, at least what's left of it.

RB Kuter said...

I tend to think of myself as a sort of prophet on such matters. Has something been in the mix regarding this move? Timing seems perfect to me.

Lissa Roberson said...

Wade, I'll start with a quote from your post.

"The course cannot be completed until the student gives those answers deemed 'appropriate' by the university.

In other words, the University of Oklahoma is telling students how they should feel about transgender advocacy, as well as other current cultural issues."

I'll offer two comments. First, OU's insistence on students giving the "right answer" hearkens back to George Orwell's 1984, where the dissident is tortured for his refusal to declare that 2 + 2 = 5.

Second, I found out that my alma mater, the University of Virginia has also gone "woke". It starts with a mandatory course in diversity and inclusion for all first-semester freshman. UVA has established a robust Diversity Affairs office which has departments within every major discipline. Students will receive a steady diet of today's divisive, neo-Socialist, soft-totalitarian doctrine regardless of whether they are sitting in Gender Studies, Architecture, or Chemical Engineering. I don't think Thomas Jefferson envisioned ideological brainwashing at his Academical Village; his dream was for students and professors to study the classics together through dynamic conversation and the exchange of independent ideas. I am saddened, but not surprised.

Rex Ray said...

Lissa Roberson,

I’m glad you said, I found out that my alma mater, the University of Virginia has also gone "woke".

I wonder if Wade has ever heard of “woke”.

A couple of days ago, I said: Drs. Kurt A. Oster, and Nicholas Sampsidis wrote books that explain how heart attacks are caused by Homogenized milk.

Many years ago, I joined bicycle riders on a 30-mile ride. I had a large sign over my head supported by the rear axle and the handle-bars. Dr. Nicholas Sampsidis’s 32-page book was fastened to it.

The route returned to where it started. I stayed with everyone going with the wind, but got far behind coming back. Once the wind caused me to crash. When I finally got to the end, many started clapping.

I’d planed the sign to say: Stop heart-attacks caused by Homogenized Milk, but the sign was too small, so I changed it to Homo Milk.

This week, my brother-in-law said I was the first Ray to come out of the closet.

Christiane said...

My goodness! If only these universities could convey inclusiveness in the way that is recognizably Christ-like, showing respect for the dignity of every person in the community regardless of 'differences';
and above all, 'welcoming' in Christian hospitality, all new comers into the community as though each one was Christ Himself (this is a Benedictine practice also used by many who are not Catholic, but from other denominations).

If the 'intent' is to foster respect for the dignity of all persons without exception and to make welcome people who have suffered from discrimination in other settings, then something of value might be learned about 'diversity' and 'inclusion' from the great tradition of Christian 'hospitality' to strangers in need of a 'safe space' to be in community free from harassment and abuse, where the 'stranger' is welcomed and honored with a respect born out of the stranger's own human dignity as created in the imago Dei.

REX RAY, your comment made me smile this morning.
Lissa Roberson, my brother's whole family are associated with UVA, and my brother has his retirement home in Charlottesville, and I can only hope that the civility that is traditionally a part of that community will prevent abuses like Wade has described. May God have mercy!

Mr. Kuter, I can speak for Wade's good heart for people who are being abused, as he has suffered for taking their part in the past. That is something that is very telling about a person's strength of character.
Frankly, I think the Church needs Wade much more (my opinion only).

RB Kuter said...

"American parents are increasingly putting their heads together to find ways to block the spread of the quasi-Marxist critical race theory (CRT) in the schools where they send their children. CRT has been spreading throughout the academia, entertainment, government, schools, and corporations. It defines human history as a struggle between the 'oppressors' (white people) and the 'oppressed' (everybody else), similarly to Marxism's reduction of history to a struggle between the 'bourgeoisie' and the 'proletariat'. It labels institutions that emerged in majority-white societies as 'systemically' or 'structurally' racist." (Epoch Times "Parents Organize to Push Back Against Critical Race Theory", Petr Svab, 4/21/2021)

This is reality of what is taking place in this neo-Marxist-US-society. Even my "Madden 21 Football" video games has in big letters in the end zones of every game, "END RACISM" and "IT TAKES ALL OF US".

Talk about mind control. The reference to "1984's" "2+2=5" policy has certainly become a reality in 2021.

RB Kuter said...

What is so hypocritical is that the CRT propaganda campaign is intensifying racism to the levels of the 1950s.

Scott Shaver said...

Doubt you can have a thoroughly socialist dictatorship without the proper catechisms and system of indoctrination.

Your public ed tax dollars at work for the last 30 years.

RB Kuter said...

It's a new world isn't it, Scott.

Ruth said...

Shock, surprise, amazement – I completely agree with you.

Public schools of any kind should be a place where individual viewpoints are cherished unless they promote hatred of other people. And simply saying that you are tired of hearing about a particular issue or the related political correctness comes nowhere close to meeting that standard.

This incident portrays nothing less than brainwashing on the part of that university. Hearing other views is one of the ways we learn. Our society would be the less for forcing a single view on all matters of personal opinion.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I daresay most of us would never have known about it if you hadn’t written this post.

Brandon Dutcher said...

Great post. Also of interest: OU’s mandatory diversity training asks all incoming students if they’re “genderqueer,” “pansexual,” or a number of other options. And, adding insult to injury, the OU diversity czar who oversees all this indoctrination is paid $230,000 annually in salary alone.

In the spirit of Bedlam fairness, however, let us note that OSU’s mandatory diversity training informs students that "gender is a large spectrum and does not only include male and female. Instead of a line between two sides, gender can be expressed in many different ways, making a circle, not a line."

In short, the rot in Oklahoma higher education is more widespread than most people realize. To learn more, and to take 45 seconds to contact the regents, Gov. Stitt, and your state lawmakers, simply click here: https://p2a.co/NBEkLPB

Christiane said...

some perspectives on 'Brain-washing' from Rand Corp:


Scott Shaver said...

230 grand for a "diversity czar"? What a waste of money.

Christiane said...

Sadly, we owe a real lesson in 'diversity training' to what we, as a nation and as a world, saw happen with our own eyes when George Floyd was murdered. Why would I say such a thing?

What we witnessed was the murder of a human person whom we (most of us, not all) could identify with as he called out for a chance to breathe and in the end, before he died, he called out for his mother. We IDENTIFIED with him as 'a human person'. And something in most of us (not all) KNEW we were seeing something happen that was wrong.

Many fine universities and colleges have reputable diversity programs unlike the 'brain washing' example in Oklahoma where the humanity of every person in the community is acknowledged, respected, and honored for the right reason: that their dignity resides in their humanity. Many universities that are faith-based (not all) help the diverse populations to feel welcomed and accepted among the student body AS PERSONS made in the imago Dei and therefore to be valued and respected. Many of these same faith-based universities will over 'sanctuary' ('safe places') for various diverse groups who have been are are being persecuted in our country among those who do not understand any better way.

So, I hope people CAN know the 'difference' between realizing the reasons why it IS important for all of us to begin to SEE the humanity in another human person and understand that Our Lord came to reconcile us to God AND to one another, even to our 'enemies' for whom we are to love in the way that He commanded us. It's a hard teaching. But we are commanded to try. For those organizations and entities that try any diverse 'training' in good faith, with respect for all concerned, I hope they might do some good;
but for those who use the brain-washing, dis-respectful methods of the extremists among us, they are going to harvest even more hatred than is already in their midst.

What works for good?
The 'fruit' of the Holy Spirit and grace at work in people who are humble before the Lord and who recognize the dignity of any human person whose life is sustained in being by Christ The Giver of Life:
"'Blessed is He Who comes in human frailty to walk the road we walk.
Open my eyes that I may see Him coming.' "

Rex Ray said...


Preach on; preach on!

Have you heard the latest:


(This area is 90% Democrats.)

Christiane said...


My first thought was 'all those flags will have to be changed' :)

Rex Ray said...


Yes, and since we have the Texas and American flag over our driveway, we’d have to buy a new one.

Gerry Milligan said...

Wade, you said; "to affirm an amoral, atheistic philosophy". Maybe you have much more information than was in your blog, but, try as I might, I do not see atheism or amoral facts in your blog.

Bob Cleveland said...

As I recall from my High School days, George Orwell's term for it was "Groupthink".

RB Kuter said...

Amazing how much reference to "1984" is made these days. I first read it way back in about 1965 and at that time the year 1984 seemed quite futuristic and distant. The story seemed quite far-fetched and sci-fi but these days? Not so much.

Christiane said...

Hello Bob Cleveland and RB Kuter,

I found this on 'wiki' concerning George Orwell:

"The adjective "Orwellian" connotes an attitude and a policy of control by propaganda, surveillance, misinformation, denial of truth and manipulation of the past. In Nineteen Eighty-Four, Orwell described a totalitarian government that controlled thought by controlling language, making certain ideas literally unthinkable. Several words and phrases from Nineteen Eighty-Four have entered popular language. "Newspeak" is a simplified and obfuscatory language designed to make independent thought impossible. "Doublethink" means holding two contradictory beliefs simultaneously. The "Thought Police" are those who suppress all dissenting opinion. "Prolefeed" is homogenised, manufactured superficial literature, film and music used to control and indoctrinate the populace through docility. "Big Brother" is a supreme dictator who watches everyone. "

I would say that a LOT of this has been going on lately. I found out people can get fired from companies for what they post on their Facebook entries, which really does seem like 'Big Brother' activity to me. And that business about 'misinformation' and 'denial of truth' hits home also.

I guess Orwell was something of a prophetic writer, although in his day, the world had already seen the behaviors of the Nazi's with their chief propagandist, Joseph Goebbels who said, "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.” Hence, our modern term: 'the Big Lie' (sigh)

There are extremists on both sides of the 'continuum' which shows up at the extreme right and also at the extreme left,
and apparently BOTH extremes use similar unethical tactics that attempt to mess with peoples' minds.

Rex Ray said...


In my opinion, Wade’s warning on this post is a drop in the bucket compared to “woke”.

Lissa Roberson said, “…I found out that my alma mater, the University of Virginia has also gone “woke”.


Have you investigated woke?

Christiane said...

Tell me about 'woke', REX RAY. I've heard the term. Unsure of how it is to be taken in whatever context though.

My big concern these days is good people getting pulled into stuff like QAnon with the crazy theories. That is what keeps me up at night. I'm hopeful that people settle down and get their feet back on the ground and use good old American common sense. We need that now.

Let me know about what you think 'woke' is all about.

Brandon Dutcher said...

Woke: https://newdiscourses.com/tftw-woke-wokeness/

Christiane said...

Thank you, Mr. Dutcher, for that link.

I have had a 'woke' moment myself when doing geneology research in the small town library of Plymouth NC, home of my maternal family. There, I went through the micro fiche of very old newpaper printings and came across the description of a lynching of an African American man who was first suspended over a fire until even his hands turned black according to the description . . . the description was so horrific that it has taken me a very long time to put it into some kind of perspective,
but I have determined that the author must have written this up as a kind of way to intimidate/threaten in those days when slavery was over and some kind of new social order was coming into being. If that is being 'woke', then I must be 'woke' to how horrific that example was of the openly published description of a violent lynching in a newspaper in a town where my own maternal family before 'the war' had owned slaves.

I had a 'reaction'. To something I came across by chance, but have never fully got over reading. As to its contents, they were graphic. And the 'tone' was, I hate to say this, unsympathetic to the victim of the lynching. Hence, my 'awareness' of something that I had previously not encountered in my own experience.

Perhaps we Americans all had some kind of 'woke' experience when we witnessed the video of the murder of George Floyd? We can't unsee it, no. May God have mercy on us all.

Thanks again for sharing that link.

Lissa Roberson said...

Rex Ray and Christiane, good morning. I enjoy following your comments, and Rex's regular side trips into humor serve to keep us sane. "Homo Milk" -- that was a good one!

I am following the Wokeness trend as it infiltrates our educational institutions. My first entry on this comment stream concerned the University of Virginia. The national press focuses on our college graduates that have been indoctrinated in "woke thought" by their social-justified, neo-Marxified, critical raci-fied professors. However, it's even more endemic in the lower grades than we may have realized.

This week I read about a math teacher in an elite private school in NYC (tuition: $45K for elementary school students) that was fired because of his dissident views toward his headmaster's decision to inject "woke" anti-racist (read: anti-white) instruction into the school curricula:


The link not only covers a brief story, it contains several short video/interviews with the headmaster, confirming the story.

Lest we throw our hands up in despair, resigned that this will be education's proverbial lot in life, I came across a different, more hopeful, and very amusing news story this morning from the West Coast. A selective private school in the outskirts of Los Angeles, the Brentwood School, is struggling as it "goes for woke." Its headmaster wants to be all things to all people, preserving the school's reputation for educational prestige while also evolving culturally. Many parents are having none of it, and a grassroots resistance is threatening to unravel his "virtuous" efforts.


I hope you have the time to read the story. It shows the power of parents who exercise courage in the face of ridicule, and dare to resist the cultural tide for the sake of their children. I pray they don't lose their will to fight the good fight.

My local school system, Sumner County TN is waging a petition battle against a move to bring CRT into the curriculum for next school year. Again, I hope enough parents choose to become directly involved in making their voices heard.

Christiane said...

Hello Lissa,

Thank you for that Brentwood School link.

It is possible people are reacting and over-reacting and in time there will be some resolution to all that is now happening. But in the end, I believe that those who try to force change in others will fail simply because in our own American ways, we are wanting to do our own thinking and we will 'push back' against propaganda and coercion as a result. That is, IF we know we are being manipulated.

Real social change takes generations in my own view. My grandmother's sisters (maternal) often said racist comments without any idea they were doing the wrong thing, and my father, from Canada, KNEW these ladies were off base, but he was a gentleman who also understood that these great aunts were of 'another time', and of course, when I got into my teens, the old maternal great aunts' comments could make me cringe, but my father said, 'they don't know any other way to be, but you do' and he taught me that time sometimes changes people in how they 'understand' themselves in relationship to others. My father was a wise person who saw 'the bigger picture' of how it is that people sometimes 'do not know what they do' and that we must be patient, especially if they are older people who belonged to another age and a time that has gone by.

Rex Ray said...

Lissa Roberson,

Thanks for the comment. Many years ago, my wife, Belle, taught second grade in Grand Prairie, TX. The first day of a school, a Black girl told her, “My Mama told me to tell you, if you spank me, she’ll sue you.”

This girl and a Mexican boy bickered at each other a lot. She’d call him ‘wetback’, and he’d call her ‘Niger’.

It reached the point that Belle said if either called the other a bad name, she was going to send them to the principal’s office.

A few days later at recess, the girl called, “Mis Ray, Mis Ray, he called me a bad name!”

“What did he call you?”
“I can’t say.”
“I have to know in order to send him to the principal’s office.” (Belle had to hide her face) when the girl said:
“He called me what I is.”

Lissa Roberson said...

Christiane, I like that your father regarded your aunts with such discernment and grace. He did you a great service by teaching you to see the "big picture", realizing that they merely spoke in the manner they'd been accustomed to while they were growing up. World views, culture, expressions and vocabulary inevitably change from one generation to the next. If only it were more widely understood and anticipated, then maybe we wouldn't suffer such angst when the babies we bear become the adults of the next age.

Rex Ray, Mis Ray had a very wise girl in her second grade class! You can't make that stuff up.

Rex Ray said...

Lissa Roberson,

“Mis Ray had a very wise girl in her second grade class!” (It takes one to know one. 😊)


I put this on your Bitcoin post several days ago. Since it hasn’t shown up, I’ll put it here:

Yesterday’s funny papers (April 21) showed the ‘cave-man’ B.C. on top of a mountain looking up and down over and over.

His buddy said, “What’ch watching? An imaginary bouncy ball?”


Do they know something we don’t? 😊

Christiane said...

thoughts on having witnessed the video of George Floyd's murder:

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus" (Galatians 3:28)

" In ancient days a rabbi gathered his students together just before dawn and asked them a question: “How does one know the exact moment when night has ended and morning has begun?” The first student replied, “When I can look out and see the point at where my farm field ends and my neighbor’s begins, that is when morning as begun.” A second student answered, “When I can look out and can make out the shape of my neighbor’s house from my own, that is when morning begins.” The rabbi smiled but shook his head indicating these answers were not correct.

The last student offered, “When I can look out in my field and can tell the difference between a horse and cow, then morning has arrived.” At this point, the rabbi spoke, “Each of you is mistaken because you have all focussed on division and how you know morning has come when you are able to divide and separate one thing from another. I am here to tell you that at the very moment when you can look at every man and woman regardless of their race, creed, or color and see them as your brother or sister—that is when the night has ended and morning has begun.” " (Rabbi Chertkoff)

"And the Light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not."
(from the Holy Gospel of St. John 1:5)

Rex Ray said...


"And the Light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not."
(from the Holy Gospel of St. John 1:5)

“The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness can never extinguish it.” (John 1:5 NLT)

Rex Ray said...

My wife, Belle, and I’d been married two months when we taught school in King Cove, Alaska. (Its location was where the Aleutian Chain started.)
My brother and I’d killed a Grizzly the month before. I wanted to shoot a Kodiak bear which was more than twice the size. (The largest in the world had been killed in the area.)
Every Saturday, I’d go hunting, but never saw one. They were angry with me coming in after dark. Dad said, “I’m going with Rex tomorrow, and we’ll be back before dark.” (Famous last words!)
Dad and I had shotguns, and I had a 30-06, and a 20-power spotting-scope on a tripod. It was hard walking on tundra for many hours in a large valley. Every so often I’d search the area with the scope. Finally, saw a bear a couple of miles away. We couldn’t go very fast because Dad’s bad knee started hurting.
By the time we got there, it started getting dark. (I’d forgotten to wind my watch.) Pretty soon, you couldn’t see your hand in front of your face.
Dad asked if I knew the way back. “I think so.” (You could see the outline of mountains against the sky, and we needed to go in the valley between two of them.) I chose one of the valleys. Soon we found a bear trail. (A bear trail is actually two trails as their legs are so far apart.) We couldn’t see the trail but ‘felt’ it with our shoes.
Dad was hurting so much, he held on to my shoulder and used the shotgun as a crutch. We finally saw lights of King Cove. (Looked like heaven to us!) I recognized the area and cautioned Dad there were a lot of deep holes of water. Soon, I plunged into one with two guns strapped on my back. I reached my hands out and got hold of tall grass. My biggest problem was Dad’s stomach pushing my head under water with his feet on the bank!
When I ran out of air, I’d strain as hard as I could to get a breath and yell, “GET OFF ME, DADDY!”
He was fighting the water, and yelling, “I CAN’T!” It seemed like forever before he managed to get off me. It was after mid-night when we got home. That was the last time we ever hunted together.

Christiane said...

REX RAY, I used the KJV for that scripture. It must have the same meaning as your example (NLT), but maybe it is a more archaic way to express it since the KJV is so much older than the NLT version. (?)

Thanks for sharing that version. Hope you had a good Lord's Day.

Christiane said...

REX RAY, what a story about hunting with your father!

Rex Ray said...


Our Dad taught us to never use bad words, including “I can’t”. He’d say, “Can’t never did anything!” So, to hear him say, “I can’t” was almost as shocking as the cold water. (The weather was 38 degrees.)

Rex Ray said...


I mentioned the largest Kodiak bear was killed in the area. It’s mounted at the University of Alaska. Weighed 1,656 pounds and stood almost 10 feet tall.

You’ve heard, “things have gone to the dogs.” I think I’ve taken things to the bears. 😊

Scott Shaver said...


That Rabbi was badly mistaken as human nature is fallen. Will remain so until the consumation of the age.

Christiane said...

I believe in the Incarnation of Christ, the Second Person of the Holy Trinity, God.

when for the first time since the Fall in Eden, in the Person of Jesus Christ, the Earth saw human nature walk again on this Earth as it was meant to be in the way Adam was before the Fall. I believe that when Christ took our human nature to Himself and assumed it in order to heal it, and that He did this for sake of all of our humankind. We were not left alone and wounded on this Earth without the help of Our Creator God, no.

The intervention of Christ in the history of our humankind changed everything for all time.