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Wednesday, October 13, 2021

#LastTrainToWuhan and My Resistance to Tyranny

Perspective is personal. When someone loses a loved one to the nasty disease called Covid-19, that someone is offended when I speak out against mandatory vaccines. "Why?" they ask. "Why do you show such a lack of compassion for those families who've lost family members? Just take the shot! That's the Christian thing to do."

Perspective. 

This post is my perspective. It serves as an explanation to my friends, family members, and acquaintances for why I write against forced mandatory vaccinations. 

Our world is descending into tyranny. Governments, led by China, including Australia, Canada, and the United States, are beginning to oppress their citizens. 

Tyranny is defined as "the cruel or oppressive rule of governments." Tyranny is evil. People of courage and conviction must stand up and speak up. 

I've acquired immunity against Covid-19 naturally. I was infected with the highly transmissible Sars Cov-2 virus in 2020.  My infection resulted in the illness called Covid-19. I recovered nicely, and my disease recovered immunity is sufficient.  Even when American government authorities mandate or coerce, I will not take a therapeutic shot for Covid-19. 

I object to taking any Covid-19 shot for both scientific and political reasons. 

First, I refuse the shot because of a potential dysfunctional response within my now robust immune system. The potential dysfunctional response is called a cytokine storm. The scientific data on how often a cytokine storm is created after receiving a Covid-19 shot is limited, but when the body's immune system enters a cytokine storm state - induced either naturally by contracting Covid-19 or artificially by vaccination - the body is at risk of severe lung inflammation, stroke, heart attack, and blood-brain membrane breaches. The scientific risk/benefit ratio of taking a Covid-19 therapeutic shot for someone who has recovered from Covid-19 is high risk and low benefit.  I know of what I speak

Second, I refuse to take the Covid-19 shot to fight against America's descent into tyranny. I refuse for my grandchildren's sake. It is best for future generations of Americans if they receive a country from their forefathers where people are free to make their own informed medical decisions and not a country where the government makes those decisions for its citizens.

For those who object and say, "But you're killing Americans!" I respond, "On the contrary, I am saving America."

Perspective.
 
In Isaiah 54, God's people had spent years of enslavement under the tyrannical and oppressive rule of the Babylonians. This chapter, a poem of hope in the Hebrew language, contains a promise from the LORD regarding the future of His people after He delivers them from their captivity (see Isaiah 54:13-14).
"Then all your children will be taught by the LORD, and great will be your children’s prosperity. In righteousness you’ll be established;

You will be far from tyranny, for you won’t be afraid You will be far from terror, for it won’t come near you.

Watch! If anyone does attack you, it will not be from Me; whoever may attack you will fall because of you."

For two generations, America's children have not been taught of the LORD. Our culture celebrates sexual immorality instead of following God's commands of morality. We talk more about those things that entertain us than we do God's Word that should constrain us. As a result, the government has become our God, our comfort has turned from our Savior to our sins, and we take for granted individual liberty and are blind to government tyranny. 

What Really Happened in Wuhan

Australian award-winning investigative journalist Sharri Markson recently published her book What Really Happened in Wuhan. There is no question mark in the title. She proves how Sars-Cov-2 came from a Chinese Communist Party biological warfare laboratory in Wuhan, China, one of only two such laboratories in the People's Republic of China. The United States has one such laboratory at Fort Detrick, Maryland

Research conducted in the Wuhan Institute of Virology by Chinese scientists - research funded by American government grant dollars - sought information about animal coronaviruses and "gain of function." In other words, Chinese scientists sought to turn animal coronaviruses into highly transmissible human coronaviruses. Sars-Cov-2 is evidence that they succeeded. Whether the release of Sars-Cov-2 from Wuhan, China was intentional or accidental has yet to be determined by investigators. 

When Covid-19 broke out in China in November of 2019, the Chinese government began covering up the accumulating death toll in Wuhan. The tyrannical and oppressive Communist government of China (CCP) began lying to the world. "This new virus cannot be spread by human contact. We have this under control." 

The Chinese Communist government was lying. All the while crying, "Peace, peace!" the CCP sent planes worldwide, full of infected Chinese citizens from Wuhan. Furthermore, the CCP kidnapped and removed from society any Chinese person who dared to stand up and speak out about what was happening in Wuhan. 

Over 1,000 Chinese attorneys, journalists, scientists, and citizens who spoke out against their government's lies and Chairman Xi Jinping's attempt to cover up the biological catastrophe in Wuhan have "disappeared."

The Last Train to Wuhan

In Chapter 6, entitled The Last Train to Wuhan, investigative journalist Sharri Markson describes what happened to a young attorney named Chen Quishi. On January 24, 2020, Chen caught the last (empty) train TO Wuhan (not away from Wuhan) in an attempt to reveal to the world what was really happening in that city.

The 34-year old arrived in Wuhan on the night of January 24, 2020, after the five-hour train ride. He immediately began going to the hospitals and documenting (filming) with his iPhone the Chinese dead and dying in emergency rooms and surrounding streets. At that time, the Chinese government said they had "everything under control," and nobody was dying. In reality, thousands were dying and the hospital system was on the verge of collapse. 

Attorney Chen Quish went back to his hotel to upload the video to YouTube. Over 300,000 people had FLED Wuhan by January 24.2020.  Chen Quish, by himself, went INTO Wuhan on January 24, 2020. He stared into the camera as he explained why he was doing what he was doing. 

"Why do I come here? I took the last high-speed train to Wuhan so that you could know the truth. If, unfortunately, I become infected, I will accept my fate. I'd rather die in the city than flee... it is the cover-up of the truth and the block of information that leads to outbreaks. We can and should allow the news and information to be spoken out and spread. If we spread the news and information faster than the virus, then we can win this war." 

Chen Quish's original video has been viewed more than 2 million times. 

Chen continued his work in Wuhan, giving as much information to the world as possible. He believed that China's existential quality of life is freedom from government tyrannical attempts to control the narrative. 

Unfortunately, after his first 41-minute video on January 25, 2020, the Chinese police began looking for Chen Quish. 

In his last video, an emotional Chen Quishi sits on a bed in a small hotel room, with ruffled hair and sunlight streaming in. He stares at the camera and says: 

"I'm scared. I have the virus in front of me. Behind me is China's law enforcement. If I am still alive in this city, I will continue reporting." 

Fighting back the tears, Quishi clenches his fist and points one finger at the camera. 

"I'm not scared of death. You think I'm scared of you, Chinese Communist Party?" 

One week later, Quish disappears. For over 600 days, he has been missing. The Chinese government captured him, imprisoned him, and tortured him. In late September 2021, in response to Chapter 6 of What Really Happened in Wuhan, the CCP released a report that Chen Quish was alive - but in government CCP custody.  Australia's investigative journalist Shari Markson may have saved Quish's life with her book because it forced the CCP to "save face."  Other Chinese citizens may not be as fortunate as Chen Quish.

Chinese Journalist Li Zehua 

A Chinese reporter named Li Zehua watched the YouTube videos of Chen Quish. He traveled to Wuhan, risking his own life, to find Chen Quish. 

In one of the videos that Li Zehua posted on YouTube,  he says, "I'm more scared filming in Wuhan than I was reporting from North Korea."

Zuhua sets out with his GoPro and Sony camera, traveling the deserted streets of Wuhan, China, looking for Chen Quish. He goes to the Wuhan Institute of Virology to ask some questions. That trip sealed his fate.

On February 26, 2020, while filming LIVE on YouTube, he posted an "SOS" video, capturing Chinese police chasing him. He manages to escape and shuts off the LIVE stream, only to begin filming in a dark hotel room. With lights off and cameras rolling, reporter Li Zehua describes the danger from Chinese government forces. 

Suddenly, you can hear the bang, bang of police knocking on the hotel door. Zuhua is silent. The banging continues. Eventually, the police gain entrance to the room. Zuhua is taken. The LIVE stream stops. 

Reporter Li Zehua has been missing for nearly two years. 

Chinese Businessman Fang Bin


Like attorney Chen Quishi and reporter Li Zehua, Chinese textile businessman Fang Bin made his way to Wuhan to tell the world what was happening. 

Wearing just a mask, Fang Bin bravely enters hospitals and overcrowded wards, filming coronavirus victims in January 2020, the very time that the Chinese and American health officials were all saying, "There is nothing to worry about."

On February 2, 2020, Chinese police confiscated Bin's laptop and took him in for interrogation. After being released, Mr. Bin records his last LIVE video for YouTube. His video lasts just 12 seconds and it is difficult to watch. 

Mr. Bin shows a roll of paper with eight Chinese characters that translate into English: 

"Let all citizens resist! Power to the people." 

Chinese businessman Fang Bin disappeared and has not been heard from since. 

These are three of over 1,000 stories that could be told of those resisting the tyranny of the Chinese government. Resistance to tyranny comes at a heavy cost, but the collective payment from brave, courageous men and women purchases the priceless product of individual liberty for their children.

The American Government and Tyranny


I am a follower of Jesus the Anointed One. I belong to the Kingdom that will never end and cannot be shaken (Hebrews 12:18-29). I am a citizen of the United States of America, but my allegiance is to Christ first. My country comes second, after the LORD. 

I will resist the incredible overreach of the government of the United States of America with all my power. I will never accept tyranny over liberty. I owe it to Christ who sets people free and to my fellow citizens who must remain free. 

My resistance to tyranny and my willingness to speak up and speak out is inspired by people like Chen Quish, Li Zehua, and Fang Bin, not to mention the hundreds of others who have "disappeared" for opposing the Chinese Communist Party's official narrative.

The United States government is becoming more and more like the CCP. I am neither afraid of death nor the government. 

You may not understand how I think, but LORD willing, you will one day thank me for writing what I write, doing what I do, and feeling what I feel.

If you begin someday to understand, it will mean that tyranny is being defeated. 

Soli Deo Gloria.

120 comments:

Kelly Boggs said...

Your article is as sobering as it is outstanding! Thank you for speaking the truth in love.

Jonathan Sarfati, Ph.D. said...

Cytokine storms, like all other ills feared from the vaccine (including clotting and myocarditis), are thousands of times more likely from the virus than from the vaccine!

In fact, cytokine storms induced by the Rona virus are one reason it is so dangerous; e.g. it's a likely cause of the condition that gives the disease its name severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS). Hence much Rona treatment involves calming or suppressing this immune overreaction. One paper published last month in Nature was Calming the cytokine storm in COVID-19:

“Cytokine blockade can improve the survival rate of patients with COVID-19 who are at risk of respiratory failure, but timing and patient selection are key.

The coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 has infected more than 200 million people and killed over 4 million, with a mortality rate of approximately 2% worldwide. Many who die from COVID-19 suffer hyper-inflammation with features of cytokine storm syndrome (CSS) and associated acute respiratory distress syndrome. Although the antiviral remdesivir was shown to reduce the length of hospital stay for those with COVID-193, only anti-inflammatory approaches have improved survival in these patients.”

This is what one should expect. What is more likely to cause a cytokine storm attacking the lungs?

1. A fast-multiplying virus that first attacks the lungs.
2. A non-multiplying vaccine in the deltoid.

Wade Burleson said...

Dr. Sarfati,

As you know, I have no fear of a cytokine storm nor of death.

I have recovered from Covid-19 and have immunity.

I have the utmost respect for you, and if you were our public health official, I would carefully listen to your persuasive arguments.

Truth be known, I think you understand where I am coming from in my argument against tyranny.

Persuade me; don't force me.

The coercion of government - with no respect for immunity derived naturally - is unscientific, illogical, and agenda-driven.

I will not be a part of obedience training.

Will Hoffman said...

I find it fascinating that people think that not doing the right thing is somehow resisting tyranny. In fact, for libertarianism to work, it requires most people to do the right thing simply because it is the right thing to do.. Vaccines have been available for 6 months +, the benefits of the vaccine over risking getting COVID are overwhelming. Private companies are requiring employees to get the vaccine with or without mandates, because it is in their economic best interest. Families are telling resistant family members, to just stay home for thanksgiving if you aren't willing o do what is best for the rest of us. Our government is never going to hold you down and give you the shot. Our press is free to report without fear of detention or torture, even when blatantly spreading propaganda. In China the vaccination rates are very high, as is wearing masks, and COVID is almost no longer a thing. If fighting against tyranny, then doing the right thing on your own would be the best stand. As is, China is showing they are way more effective at dealing with COVID. As far as whether the vaccine originated in a lab, or spreading from bats to humans as most experts suggest really does not matter unless you think the biological agent was released on the world on purpose(not an accident), so that China can somehow show their tyrannical approach to governance is more effective. If so, you are playing right into their hands.

Steve said...

Just for clarification do you believe all forms and parties of American government are increasing in tyranny or just certain administrations?

Scott Shaver said...

Ditto that. So best persuade me to eat a pizza rather than force a shot. You will be more successful.

Scott Shaver said...

Your first sentence tells me you wouldn’t know the “right thing” from a wrong turn.

Wade Burleson said...

Will Hoffman,

Difficult to dialogue with a man who is telling me what the "right thing" for me is. I give liberty and freedom for others to choose what they deem right.

I expect the same liberty from my fellow citizens.

Wade Burleson said...

Steve,

All forms and parties of American government, though leftist intolerance is at the forefront at this moment.

Wade Burleson said...

Scott,

I assume you are referring to the first sentence of Will?

Rex Ray said...

Wade,

I like your SPIRIT

Would you explain what “Last Train To Wuhan” means. I asked Judy, and she tried to tell me, but she’s forgotten some of it.

“Tyranny” in any form by anybody is what Jesus is against.

Wade Burleson said...

Rex,

The Last Train to Wuhan is the title of Chapter 6 of the new book What Really Happened in Wuhan.

It describes the trip of an attorney from Bejing to Wuhan on the last train before Wuhan was shut down due to Covid-19.

The attorney went INTO the city while everyone else was FLEEING the city in order to report what was happening in Wuhan.

He was captured by the Chinese police and disappeared for over 600 days.

Steve said...

Wade, agreed. Glad to hear. I’ve always respected you and have struggled personally in my own little area of the country where people on both sides of the political divide only think “the other guys” are the bad guys. It’s hard to preach and love a kingdom perspective these days when so many have at least one foot firmly planted in their chosen political world. Blessings!

Jonathan Sarfati, Ph.D. said...

I also believe in persuasion, not force.

I think "natural immunity" is a misleading term, because all immunity is natural: it is a response to pathogen antigens by the adaptive immune system. The contrast is between disease-induced immunity v vaccine-induced immunity. The latter is far safer, e.g. I am not aware of any cytokine storms caused by vaccination, but it's a known major complication of the disease.

For those who have not caught Rona, vaccination is far safer than risking the disease. In almost all cases, if one's immune system can handle a fast-multiplying virus, it will have no trouble handling a non-multiplying vaccine.

Wade Burleson said...

Dr. Sarfati,

Agreed. "Diseased induced immunity" is a better term.

I also agree there is a tremendous benefit to vaccine-induced immunity.

And we agree that persuasion, not force, should be used to convince people of the benefit.

Thanks for your comments.

Rex Ray said...

Wade,

This is Judy’s birthday; 87 years YOUNG.

We both thought you statement: “persuasion, not force, should be used to convince people of the benefit.”

Christiane said...

Happy Birthday to JUDY !

Rex Ray, she is your 'strength and stay' and you are fortunate indeed to have this good woman for your dear wife. I hope you appreciate her even in 'Aunt Bee' mode, as she is trying to help you with your meds.

Treasure your loved ones every day. I know I wished after my husband's passing for that 'one more day'. God sends comfort to us in grief, but oh, for one more day. :)

I hope you get Judy a present that is a REAL present, not like the little bulldozer my brother actually bought as a gift for my sister-in-law so she could clean out the muck under their little 'bridge' that was a part of the entrance to their farm near Charlottesville! Well, that's what she wanted, I guess! She used it, too.

Celebrate with joy! And with hope for many more birthdays to come. May you both be blessed! :)

Bene said...

Li Zehua resurfaced in April 2020.
I remember his last video two months prior when the police broke in.

He says he was held in a quarantine centre in Wuhan before being shipped back to his hometown to isolate with his parents. He is back online.

Fang Bin has not been seen since March 2020. Radio Free Asia reports he is still being held incommunicado. His parents and family have recently been told the charges against him are being changed.

Zhang Zhan was sentenced to 4 years in December 2020, and not formally charged until November 2020.
She was the first to be sentenced out of 47 pandemic citizen journalists.
Amnesty International reports she was tortured for 3 months because she went on a hunger strike. She was hospitalized summer 2021 after resuming her hunger strike.

Wade: I take it you have no plans to travel internationally when you leave the pastorate?

Christiane said...

WADE, I will support always that people should try to follow their God-given consciences in matters of faith and morals, as best as is possible for them. We are told to 'choose' in the sacred Scriptures, that our 'choices' make us accountable to God but He 'meets with us' in the sanctuary of our conscience and He gives us help to know the good way from the wrong way.

In my faith, we must honor and respect those whose consciences may see things differently from our own, especially in matters of faith.

I know you stood up for people who were being persecuted, and you suffered the consequences for that action, so I know you are blessed with the grace to care for others without thought of 'self'. I'm going to trust that the Good Lord keeps giving you the grace to go forward in ways honorable and caring. There are MANY different 'perspectives' in the Body of Christ where people are given to see what others may not see, so people can 'share' with one another and will help one another. You allow this process to unfold on your blog, so you recognize the need for people to speak, to be heard, but also to listen, and you ask from us that we respect one another on this blog as human persons with a dignity that comes from the imago Dei. You can be proud of the way you encourage people to have respect for those who see things from a different point of view. I think you are blessed in that way. Be encouraged. God keep you safe and protected for all harm and illness.

Wade, I still think 'the Church needs you more'. I will always believe this is true.
God Bless!

Anon.E.Moose said...

Yes, liberty requires a moral compass — the old liberty versus licentiousness argument. The mandate is NOT liberty (obviously) and at this time, the position that social media is taking on “misinformation” we are rapidly moving into a tyrannical world.

Wade, I have always wondered what your position would be if you did not have pre-existing immunity. I work for a company that has put into place a vaccine mandate. This is not an issue for me, as I was vaccinated, but it is an issue for a young person who works beside me that refuses vaccination has she is immune with a booster (got COVID twice). My company, in rolling out the mandate, said that natural immunity would NOT create an automatic waiver because “the CDC doesn’t consider it adequate.” Well, the CDC, like the octogenarian physician in charge, have both had too numerous to count mis-steps in managing this thing, so……but the big issue is this young person is looking at losing her livelihood because of the tyranny of the government - not for anything that will actually contribute to the health of the country/community/company. The CDC points to data from Kentucky published in the CDC bulletin MMWR that shows that there is a benefit to vaccinating previously infected. However, the big point (from my perspective) is that 20% of the people that did have COVID 19 reinfection HAD been fully vaccinated and the risk of re-infection for the 2 month observation study was less than 1:1000 for the previously infected. That is really low and is going to be on par with vaccine induced immunity with its waning protective effect. How is this not tyranny, to force someone to take a booster for their natural immunity when realistically we don’t have long term safety data?

A UC Irvine ethics professor has sued the system over the fact that the mandate does not take into account pre-existing immunity. We just watched what happened to SW airlines when they put into place a vaccine mandate. My understanding is that many of their pilots and employees were also concerned about the lack of accommodation for pre-existing immunity.

Physicians are being silenced. The ABIM, the organization that offers board certification, issued a statement supporting the licensing boards that were suspending or revoking physician’s licenses that are not towing the party line. Obviously, that has cooling effect on many physicians that choose to say something that opposes what the CDC or the other chosen elites are saying.

Anon.E.Moose said...

continued....
We just saw an ESPN anchor Sage Steele disciplined for her personal comments on the vaccine. She called the vaccine mandate “sick” although she had just taken the vaccine because of the mandate to preserve her job. If you track down what she actually said, it was a comment about feeling defeated. I will tell you, despite the fact that I am vaccinated and I talk up vaccines to all high risk people, when my company came out with a vaccine mandate that ignores disease induced immunity, I felt defeated. I feel defeated that I may lose experienced, good work colleagues because they already have immunity and do not want to take an unnecessary therapeutic. We have just heard that Youtube plans to demonetize videos that don't tow the party line on climate change. Scary times......on all of this squelching of independent thought, the question is, who is determining what it right. How can that entity KNOW that it is right?

Our ruling elites are making a huge mistake right now. You have President Biden saying something to the effect that if we can have 96 or 97 or 98 % of people vaccinated we will get out of this. No. We are never getting out of this. COVID will become endemic. It has too many animal vectors for it to go away. The vaccines are not sterilizing and they lose efficacy. Vaccination will not get us out of this. Immunity (from whatever form) WILL protect the vast majority from severe illness and death, yet even a few vaccinated or previously infected people will die. The ruling elite are still talking like COVID zero is an option. It is not. Hopefully, as it mutates and herd immunity develops we will not notice it because we will stop doing as much testing, but…..I don’t think it will go away. I may end up being wrong, but remember, it is a member of the the virus family that includes the common cold.

(BTW, I tried to provide links as references to what I am writing, but got a warning that "https" is not allowed and all the links had that. Is there a way around that?)

Wade Burleson said...

Bene,

If stepping into a plane requires a "vaccination passport," I will be traveling by car. I give tours internationally, but my wife and I are already working on bus tours domestically. Is it possible for me to fly overseas with my principled position? Yes. Ironic, is it not, that the wealthy are exempt from passports. They fly privately, and I've had several friends offer to fly me privately wherever I need to go. Unfortunately, other Americans don't have that luxury. So I understand why most succumb to pressure to obtain a "vaccine passport." Such economic, personal, and social coercion violates the Nuremberg Code, but nobody reads the Nuremberg Code anymore. I do.

Wade Burleson said...

Christiane,

Thank you for your kind words. I always appreciate your principled positions, and though we often disagree, you are kind, understanding, and supportive of my stand on principle. I appreciate your kind words about continuing as a pastor, but I know enough right now to recognize that the gospel message is needed in the public arena more than the church arena. I will continue to proclaim the Good News, stand on moral principles, and do what I do - it's just nobody can say anymore, "Oh well, he's just a pastor. You expect it." Who I am has nothing to do with how I earn a living. Who I am is who I am. Nothing is changing about me.

Wade Burleson said...

Anon E. Moose,

As usual, prescient, concise, informative, and superb comment!

I hope people read it. Respect.

Wade Burleson said...

Anon E Moose,

I believe the coding for HTML can be found on the page I link below. If you follow the short, brief HTML coding for a link, when you finish, You will give the link the title you want.

It will look this in your comment.

You will give the link the title you want.

RB Kuter said...

"The United States government is becoming more and more like the CCP. I am neither afraid of death nor the government."

Due to the collaborative effort between the United States and China in engineering this "GOF"-ed super-virus I find the lines between the United States Government and China's to be extremely blurred.

Relating to the COVID issue, I see zero difference between those power players in the United States (CDC included)involved in the existence and probably the disbursement of the plague-causing agent. I realize that is very provocative and dangerous allegations to make but let the evidence speak for itself. As Fauci screamed in response to Sen. Rand Paul's saying Fauci was involved in this collaborative effort with China's Wuhan institution,

“You are implying that what we did was responsible for the deaths of individuals. I totally resent that,” Fauci said. “And if anybody is lying here senator, it is you,” he added, pointing a finger at Paul.

Then in reality it was later revealed that Fauci had indeed been involved through shadow agencies in which he is involved to finance the work being done by Wuhan.

CDC had lost track of the "GOF"-ed experimental virus engineered to replicate and enhance the "1918 flu virus" with internal communications revealing that vials of the experimental super-flu had gone missing! Nobody in our government pursued investigation to see where it went or how much had been misplaced or who had taken possession of it.

Multiple US sources and universities had been working on these super-viruses with China for years and the US government itself (prior Administrations) had been financing China's "GOF" work giving millions of dollars in grants. Canada's scientists were also involved, all under the guise that they were protecting us by their being able to create counter-measures (vaccines) in the event such horrid monster viruses ever surfaced. Well, they DID surface due to those playing the "GOF" game. Now they have succeeded in controlling the agents "they" say are essential to stop the monster "they" have created and probably released, either intentionally or by negligence and extreme (criminal?) incompetence.

No, I disagree with exaggerating China's role at the expense of overlooking and excusing the role that the United States' power players have played throughout the creation of this Frankenstein-type of monster that "we" have created and now have lost control. China is a pawn in regards to diverting attention from the role that the US and other players have had.

In a similar way, the United States is only "baby-steps" behind China in forming its oppressive and bullying strategy of controlling its people using this intentionally created plague as its skateboard. It begs the question to be asked, "Has all of the involvement by the United States to cause this plague been for the motive of positioning the government to be an unchallenged, dictatorial, regime as is China?"

China and the United States seem to be more like close brothers these days while maintaining a facade of being at odds for the sake of keeping the barking dogs at bay. Maybe like the "Mob" of the 1980s and 1990s with the Italian, Irish, and other ethnic competitors actually working together for the overall benefit of the participants.

Gerald Polmateer said...

For at least a century big government and big business have been cooperating for their mutual benefit. Big business gives big government some money in exchange for "favors". The schools are good at one thing---preparing students to work for someone else. Big business and big government highly influence what is done in colleges and universities. An example would be when students are doing "research" for a large company. What company wanting to maintain or increase their competitive edge would have a student do cutting edge research when the student upon graduation can work for any company. The answer is not in doing research but companies want access to the top students. The companies do cutting edge research but not the students. Try asking a local high school to have some of their students do research that would help a local business. High schools cannot do work for anything private except if the student does it himself. When we have big business and big government working together for their mutual benefit we know it is about working together so they have more power and control. That increases corruption in Congress, weakens out justice system, and eliminates the fear of big businesses which is the small businesses. Anyone who has studied the actions of big government especially during the Great Depression knows it only made things worse and manipulated people. Why would anyone do business with enemy leaders such as the Chinese Communist Party? They are nothing but liars, unethical, and manipulative. The U.S. is being manipulated while China thinks we are stupid. That is another reason why they do not want a strong leader in America.

Wade Burleson said...

RB and Gerald,

Drop...the...mic.

Both of you.

Thanks.

Rex Ray said...

World’s Oldest Cold Case (Words in [ ] by Rex)
Who was responsible for Paul’s death by the Romans?
All Scripture is from the NLT
“…the Holy Spirit tells me in city after city that jail and suffering lie ahead.” (Acts 20:23) “…These believers prophesied through the Holy Spirit that Paul should not go on to Jerusalem.” (Acts 21:4) “…a man named Agabus, who had the gift of prophecy…took Paul’s belt… “The Holy Spirit declares, “So shall the owner of this belt be bound by the Jewish leaders in Jerusalem and turned over to the Gentiles.” (Acts 21:10-11)
His prophecy was true as Paul said, “…I was arrested in Jerusalem and turned over to the Roman government…” (Acts 28:17)
“The next day Paul went with us to meet with James, and all the elders of the Jerusalem church...You know, dear brother, [Calling Paul, “dear brother” would make him feel they were his friends.] how many thousands of Jews have also believed, and they all follow the law of Moses very seriously. [These thousands believed in Jesus PLUS the laws of Moses, while Paul preached Jesus PLUS NOTHING] But the Jewish believers here in Jerusalem [church members.] have been told you are teaching the Jews who live among the Gentiles to turn their backs on the Law of Moses. They’ve heard that you teach them not to circumcise their children or follow other Jewish customs. What should we do? They will certainly hear that you have come. [Breaking the Law of Moses in the Old Testament was punished by death. Wouldn’t speaking against the Law of Moses be worst? If the Jewish church kills Paul, the Christian Gentiles would revolt because Paul is their hero. James has a BIG problem.] Here’s what we want you to do. We have four men here who have completed their vow. Go with them to the Temple [WHAT? That’s were the Jewish leaders are! “Five different times the Jewish leaders gave me thirty-nine lashes.” (Acts 11:24) Agabus said Paul would be bound by the Jewish leaders in Jerusalem and turned over to the Gentiles.] and join them in the purification ceremony, paying for them to have their heads ritually shaved. Then everyone will know that the rumors are all false and they yourself observe the Jewish Laws.” (Acts 21:18-24) [James ‘kills two birds with one stone’; the Jewish leaders ‘take care of Paul’, and he can tell that Paul believed in the Laws of Moses because he was taking vows when the Jewish leaders arrested him.

At Paul’s first trial before Governor Felix: “…Ananias, the high priest, arrived with some Jewish elders and the lawyer Tertullus, to present their case against Paul to the governor.” (Acts 24:1)

[Paul remembers this trial in 2 Timothy 4:16] “The first time I was brought before the judge, no one came with me. Everyone abandoned me. May it not be counted against them.”

“May it not be counted against them” was the same prayer that Paul heard Stephen pray in Acts 7:60: “Lord, don’t charge them with this sin!” And with that he died.”]

Scott Shaver said...

Yes. Will

Lissa Roberson said...

After I read this post, I did a search on Chen Qiushi and found to my utter elation (and sorrow) that HE HAS BEEN RELEASED as of Oct 1st! I'm thrilled because he's free, yet I am heartsick because he cannot and will not speak of the torture he has been put through during his detention.

If he says anything about the way he was beaten, deprived, humiliated and mistreated in prison, the CCP will go after his family.

https://www.thesun.ie/news/7691560/missing-chinese-covid-whistleblower-reappears/

https://www.newsmax.com/world/globaltalk/china-citizen-journalist-chen-qiushi-wuhan/2021/10/01/id/1038728/

Are we willing to put ourselves at risk the way Chen Qiushi did for the sake of "pushing back" against a tyrannical regime? We may be facing that decision sooner rather than later.

Chen, Fang Bin, Li Zehua and Li Wenliang (the ophthalmologist that sent out the secret video from the Wuhan hospital during Christmas 2019, only to contract COVID and die) are heroes who considered truth was more important than personal comfort.

May their sacrificial courage inspire us as we witness our government exerting ever more heavy-handed pressure on us to conform "or else".

Neil Cameron (One Salient Oversight) said...

Wade,

If someone from the government is forcing you to walk one mile, would you refuse? Or would you walk two miles?

J D Rector said...

Wade:
I have read your blogs and your response to people's comments for a very long time. You have my utmost respect and admiration. Why? Because you speak the truth in love and do not retaliate by fleshly name-calling. For me, it all started when I saw how you were treated as a trustee on the International Mission Board of our Southern Baptist Convention. You are a bold and courageous soldier in the Army of God to proclaim the gospel of Jesus Christ. Thank you brother!

I agree with you in principle on your blog. What makes this difficult for me is I lost my only sibling, my 63 yo brother to COVID this past August 31. I could not drive to TN to visit him because of visitation restrictions. For 15 years of my public ministry, I worked with the only Hospice agency we had in our community. I served in the Bereavement follow-up area. Then for 2 summers, I was the official Chaplain. I am experiencing what we called "complicated grief". Complicated grief is when you become depressed, dysfunctional, withdrawn from friends and society. You see, I saw my only brother this past March and one morning he and I went to a local restaurant for breakfast. I begged and pleaded with him to get vaccinated because of his under-lying health conditions. I lovingly reminded him that I had far more precarious health conditions such as heart disease and Parkinson's. That's why it was to my advantage to be fully vaccinated as I was when we had breakfast together. I would suggest we challenge our people who have under-lying health conditions to get vaccinated as strongly as we stand against mandates. Furthermore, I'm not afraid of death as I know that my Redeemer, the LORD JESUS CHRIST, has triumphed over death! Soli Deo Gloria!!

J.D. Rector

J D Rector said...

Wade:
YES, he refused to get vaccinated.
J.D.

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RB Kuter said...

Neil said, "If someone from the government is forcing you to walk one mile, would you refuse? Or would you walk two miles?"

Out of context to use this Biblical instruction. If you followed it in the context of forced vaccinations you deem harmful or suspect or unnecessary, the same would apply in the context of:

(Jesus said; "Give Caesar what is Caesar's and give God what is God's.)

If Caesar want your house you should give him your land plot upon which it is built. If Caesar says to pay 50% of your income for his taxes you should give him 75%.
If Caesar says to not preach in opposition to homosexuality you should not preach against abortion.
If Caesar says you should not believe that Jesus Christ is the only way to God (Has already been done)you should become an atheist.

See, attempting to use something out of context totally distorts the intent.

Gerald Polmateer said...

Last year I spent an entire summer devoting most of the days to studying the details of the exodus. What I came to realize Moses was the first leader to have no slaves and that group of people prospered. While at the same time most other nations had slaves. Slaves are under the control of the master. Those who are not slaves work together and encourage one another for their mutual benefit and for the benefit of the entire group. Those kind of people are also the most generous to others. Any time a leader tries to rule by force that is the first indicator he has no leadership skills and will not do well. One may remember when the wall fell in Europe and what happened to the statues of the communist leaders. One of the problems is those kind of leaders do not know what it will cost them and the nation they think they are leading. As Christians we have a history book of what has happened to nations who refused to acknowledge God as sovereign and mix in other gods. Clearly during the time of Amos the nations were prosperous but they were in a for an awakening. Their demise started from within the religious community. I believe the same thing is happening in the U.S. at this time. Not long ago I asked some men I know to tell me what they thought the gospel is. I was shocked to find very few could articulate the gospel. One of those had worked with a large church and is on staff with a Christian organization. When I asked the people who could, I asked them where they got their training. Not one of them mentioned a church they attended or are attending. Everyone of them mentioned a Christian organization. When we have leaders who fear the world more than they fear God was have a weak church full of fear of the world. If the church would quit trying to change the world to conform to so much sugar water, and become what it should be it will be as salt and light as it should be. The worldly know it cannot control those who are controlled by God.

Instugator said...

Amen Pastor Wade.

Dennis Nunn said...

Wade,

Thank you for continuing to proclaim accurately that the greatest danger we face is tyranny, not Covid, and also clearly proclaiming freedom from fear because of Jesus Christ, our Lord.
Also, I love not only linking your articles, but copying and disseminating them. The colored background you use makes copies hard to read. Would love for you to lighten it up.

Christiane said...

Has the government actually FORCED anyone to 'take the vaccine' against their will?

If so, what were the circumstances?

I hear the word 'tyranny', but how does it relate to being 'forced' to take the vaccine against one's will? What have I missed?

I'm not talking about entities that are private demanding that their employees be vaccinated in order to work there. I'm asking primarily about the federal government.

Thanks if anyone can help.

RB Kuter said...

"Has the government actually FORCED anyone to 'take the vaccine' against their will?"

Government strong-arm policies dictating that Federal employees be vaccinated are direct hits of "FORCE" by the government. So are those policies with strong influence on the state and lower levels of government, education structure, "100-employee" business sector, and such, that are indeed evidence of a central government bullying, forcing, and dictating that "it's will be done". Companies, hospitals, air lines, and school systems that are forcing employees to follow government policies or be fired are definitely evidence of the "FORCE" being applied by our central government.

It is very difficult for me to conceive as to how anyone could even propose that the government is not "FORCING" its will upon the public as it takes greater and greater leaps in its trend to steal "your" liberties and mine from us. Just what does a regime have to do before it is acknowledged that your freedom to move about and behave as you choose is diminishing by leaps and bounds WITHOUT your permission?

The lack of acknowledgement by some to what should obviously be the reality leads me to know that there will be those who remain in a state of denial no matter what. The continued and rapid deterioration of our nation, its economy, its security, its independence and its position of strength in the world has taken a big leap into a dark abyss. And yet there are those who continue to assess the dismal state of affairs as just being the consequences of "fate" or of forces beyond our control.

This as we experience an immediate return to dependency upon foreign oil, having uncontrolled borders, tremendous inflation at the grocery stores and pumps, shortages of all supplies across the board with full cargo ships dead in the water at ports, a labor market in a severe flux, uncontolled violent crime in the streets, are all the direct result of this government's decisions and destructive strategies. I would think that it would be blatantly apparent that it is all a result of policies and decisions made by the current regime in power.

Some who were formerly supportive of the regime are beginning to wake up and smell the smoke but too many others are determined to stay on board until the flaming ship sinks into the sea of despair and destruction. One would think that a correction would surely take place in upcoming elections but, nay, I think not. Control too of the electoral process is in the hands of the powers that be.

In former years when living in the nation of Zambia which had been under the rule of the dictator, Kenneth Kaunda, and then in Thailand which is under the rule of the military regime that instigated the coup to overthrow a duly elected government, I was conceitedly grateful that "my" country, the United States, would NEVER become so complacent and in such a state of denial as to allow similar experiences to occur. Yet today I see a mirror image of those oppressive regimes when I observe the process taking place in my own homeland.

Wow! Did God ever teach me the reality of how all humanity is susceptible to being foolishly blinded into willing submission to the powers of oppression and domination that slowly steals those precious liberties and principles which have been acquired at such great costs. These treasures are not having to be taken by force. We are willingly putting our heads on the block and begging the guillotine to be released.

No Constitution or a nation's former traditions can withstand the force of an avalanche of the self-gratification demands and complacency of its public.

Neil Cameron (One Salient Oversight) said...

RB,

And yet requiring a vaccine is far less than anything you have mentioned as a problem. Governments around the world aren't requiring people to bow down to a false God. It's just a vaccine.

Having a vaccine is even less than being forced to walk a mile.

Neil Cameron (One Salient Oversight) said...

RB,

Also not that the Roman Empire was a tyrannical power. And yet Jesus said those words about giving to Caesar; and Paul said we should Pay taxes and honour in Romans 13 and obey the government in Titus 3.

Gerald Polmateer said...

Neil Cameron;

I would challenge you to do some reading about the mRNA "vaccine" and note its side effects. Then come to your own conclusions. You might also note how so much of what Americans have been told is like a fish on a rock.

Neil Cameron (One Salient Oversight) said...

Gerald,

I have done research, and I have come to the conclusion that the vaccine is overwhelmingly beneficial and stopping the spread of Covid.

I have also come to the conclusion that Christians who think the vaccine is very dangerous, or who use it as an argument to resist government tyranny, are not only completely and embarrassingly wrong, they are rebelling against God's word, and they are propagating rumour, slander and myth.

Gerald Polmateer said...

In 1963 Americans were told we would run out of oil in 25 years. 25 years later was 1988. What happened? We were also told to expect another ice age. What happened? We were also told about various men such as Nebraska man. What happened to Nebraska man? He was a pig's tooth.


When natural immunity isn’t even a topic for discussion, it’s extremely clear that this has never been about health.

Neil Cameron (One Salient Oversight) said...

"Natural Immunity" stopped the 1918-1920 influenza pandemic. But in doing so millions died.

If we applied Natural Immunity to Covid, we would eventually overcome it. But millions of people would die as well. With a Vaccine, we would get immunity + substantially less dead people.

Emphasizing natural immunity is just another way of saying "Let's do nothing".

Christiane said...

Hello out there, Mr. Kuter

Thank you for responding to my question.

It looks to me like the 'mandate' is a form of pressure to DECIDE, rather than an actual forcing to take the needle as opposed to breaking the law. It does seem like what remains to individuals is to CHOOSE to 'comply' or to resign from positions, jobs, organizations, professions. That, for many who are raising families seems a bridge too far, as they must then choose their 'freedom' at the cost of employment which 'sustains' their families.

I do see that pressure is being exerted, yes. But 'choice' still remains and people can 'opt out' of vaccination, but at a huge cost. I suppose how this works is that people 'opt out' in great numbers as a protest, so that those who are mandating the vaccinations for employment purposes will be pressured to 'reconsider' and then the employers and entities will put pressure on politicians to change the mandate and offer some less demanding form of 'covid' prevention, such as 'daily proof of no infection', if possible?

I think, as long as there are 'choices', even difficult ones, we don't have full 'tyranny'. If the LAWS to to REQUIRE vaccination or else to be jailed, fined, and kept from society altogether, I would consider that the ultimate kind of tyranny, yes.

I think it is wrong to 'force' people to get vaccinated against their will;
but I also would not want my family in the military exposed to anyone who was unvaccinated and showed signs of infection, and I could give other examples of how I would understand it best to keep unvaccinated folks away from the most vulnerable and helpless in our society. Eastern Christian Children's Retreat in Wyckoff NJ where my eldest son is a resident, has staff almost all completely vaccinated now; and all the residents have been vaccinated. These residents are among the most physically challenged persons and were given access to vaccination as first priority in New Jersey. I don't think all the vaccinations were done because people were pressured, so much as they 'knew' that the residents didn't have a chance against the covid because of so many serious disabilities. People acted out of love for the ones who were vulnerable. People's motives depend on circumstances, I think.

Wade Burleson said...

Neil,

Because I am the government in the United States, I will NEVER force a person to walk a mile for me, and if anyone wishes to force me, I will not.

That said, any person who politely requests me to walk a mile, I will walk two miles for them.

Those of you who live in Tasmania may not understand that liberty is in American's DNA. "We the People" are the government, and we intend to keep it that way.

We see what's happening "Down Under" and say, "No thank you."

Tom said...

Wade,

My frequent response to USA citizens' comments about Australia is that they have believed the fake news that is being presented as the "true" position of the situation in Australia. Just as there was much fake news in the USA with respect to the last Presidential Election that was exported to Australia.

Australians knows the difference between the liberties that we enjoy enshrined in the "laws" of the land and our freedom. Freedom is a spiritual attribute that can resides within the person. It cannot be taken from a person, but a person can be coerced into giving up their Freedom. Many people have lost their freedom and do not know it.

The way the catch cry of Freedom is thrown around today, it is just another name for anarchy where people can do what ever they like no matter what the consequences will be for other people. People's freedom today is a selfish condition that is debilitating for all of us as the true understanding of Freedom has been lost by the vast majority of the people who spruik it to others. Self centred attitudes are not healthy for any of us and the evidence that this is so can be found in the number of "demi gods" walking around as if they are the most important asset in our communities and that everybody else should fulfil their desires.

Sadly, the church has been impregnated with this delusion as well, and the people who lead these churches are blind and cannot see the sin that prevails within the church's community of believers.

The outcome that is promised by God is that the rains will not come, the sky will be hot like bronze and plagues will abound. Sounds a little like our experiences today.

Perhaps 2 Chron 7 and other similar passages needs to be reread and understood.

Shalom

Neil Cameron (One Salient Oversight) said...

"We see what's happening "Down Under" and say, "No thank you.""

Fake News.

Neil Cameron (One Salient Oversight) said...

"That said, any person who politely requests me to walk a mile, I will walk two miles for them."

Wade, can you please get vaccinated?

Lissa Roberson said...

Hello Will Hoffman, I'd like to ask you for more information.

In your comments, you stated that "In China the vaccination rates are very high, as is wearing masks, and COVID is almost no longer a thing."

Having lived in China for several years, I'm familiar with the government's masterful control over the news that's allowed outside of the country. Do you have some facts or statistics to help support the statement that COVID is "almost no longer" an issue in China?

Our in-country source of news on the mainland was CCTV, which fed locals a heavy dose of propaganda while reporting domestic news stories. CCTV also skewed its news coverage for broadcasts outside the country, often presenting China as a victim of the diabolical USA and its allies.


The majority of Chinese citizens are vaccinated with the Sinovac, a Chinese-manufactured COVID vaccine. Sinovac's composition is inactivated COVID particles, in contrast to the mRNA of American vaccines. Its efficacy rate has been judged to be 51%, and generates fewer antibodies than a patient who has suffered and come through COVID.

I do believe it's true that the majority of China's 1.44 billion people have been vaccinated, but whether or not China is COVID-free remains a question.

There was a point in time during the COVID pandemic when worldwide numbers of COVID deaths were in the tens of thousands and growing within several European countries, in excess of 100,000 and on the increase in the U.S. ... and yet the count remained fixed at 85,000 in China.

You can understand my skepticism.

Rex Ray said...

Wade,

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Anon.E.Moose said...
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Rex Ray said...

CHRISTIANE,

The best present Judy has gotten is when the old riding lawn mower wore out, we got a new one. She likes to mow our one acre around the house. As a ‘city Dallas girl’, she loves the farm and has learned a lot. The first time she mowed the yard, I stopped her and said it worked a lot better if the blades were turning.

Jesus said, “…not a single sparrow can fall to the ground without your Father knowing it.” (Matthew 10:29 NLT)

I wonder if the Lord has this on ‘file’: When we were in the first grade, our pet squirrel met his death like this:

A hammer was on top of the refrigerator with its handle in space. He went out on the handle and the hammer fell. He hit the floor and the hammer hit him.

Anon.E.Moose said...

Typing “tyranny” into the Google search gives the definition, “cruel and oppressive government or rule. A nation under cruel and oppressive government. Cruel, unreasonable, or arbitrary use of power or control.”

If a person has disease induced immunity, how can the demand that you take a therapeutic to maintain your employment, maintain your livelihood, maintain education opportunities, potentially enjoy life (go to concerts, go to restaurants, etc) not be considered “an arbitrary use of power or control? “ It is NOT following the science.

IF we had a therapeutic that was sterilizing (meaning that it obliterated infection, not about reproductive ability) that vaccine mandate would make sense. However, we now have data that neutralizing antibody responses go up rapidly after vaccination and then drop off rapidly. Now, I’ll be the first to say that isn’t the whole story: there are other parts of the immune system that are likely to be at play (and MORE likely to be activated by previous infection) and so there is likely greater immunity than assayed by these simple tests. However, the government is choosing to mandate therapeutics ignoring all of this science.

New release from CMS (the payor for medicare services; https://www.cms.gov/newsroom/press-releases/biden-harris-administration-expand-vaccination-requirements-health-care-settings) September 9, 2021 “The Biden-Harris Administration will require COVID-19 vaccination of staff within all Medicare and Medicaid-certified facilities to protect both them and patients from the virus and its more contagious Delta variant.  Facilities across the country should make efforts now to get health care staff vaccinated to make sure they are in compliance when the rule takes effect.”

I recently spoke with a person who works in a rural hospital. The hospital, reliant on government funds via medicare, currently has a vax rate of 50%. You may read that and think “those country bumpkins, do they not understand the power of the vaccine to prevent severe illness and death?” Don’t be so presumptuous. They do. This is a rural hospital where PPE was not in abundant supply. Wearing the same (insert expletive) mask for an entire day probably increases the risk of personal infection. The vast majority of people refusing vaccination in this healthcare organization have been infected and know that they already have immunity (the person estimated that if allowed to count disease induced immunity, the immunity rate would be 85% or greater). Yes, there are studies that immunity wanes over time, yes there is ample example that you can be reinfected after previous infection but the exact same thing goes for the vaccine. We are never getting to COVID zero. These frontline workers risked their lives when there was no vaccine. They have “disease induced” immunity. Now we repay those frontline workers by saying they have to take a therapeutic for which there is no long term safety data when they have immunity that is as good as when that therapeutic would give them? How is that NOT “arbitrary use of power or control”?

Anon.E.Moose said...

Yesterday, President Biden’s remarks at the dedication of the Dodd Center included, “In an age of increasing misinformation and disinformation, we must not grow complacent in our defense of the democratic values that have been the firm foundation for an era of peace and prosperity unprecedented — unprecedented in human history……Attacks on truth are still the harbinger of tyranny.  Nothing about our democracy is assured, as I’m sure you’ve all begun to realize of late.  Nothing about our freedom is guaranteed.  We have to work for it. “ (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/10/15/remarks-by-president-biden-at-the-dedication-of-the-dodd-center-for-human-rights)

Are attacks on truth the “harbinger of tyranny?” Be careful of language…..we are all quick to say that tyranny is bad, but who defines truth? The government? I find it interesting how often Biden referenced Nuremberg in those remarks. We (meaning the US government) would never force unnecessary therapeutics on people……(read my comment re: vaccine mandates for people who have been previously infected).

RB Kuter said...

Christiane and Neil,

It really isn't the significance of the vaccine itself. The pros and cons for taking it in consideration of the health consequences is important but not the biggest concern. It is the manner in which it is being used as an instrument of control by high powers to be and the wickedness of their responses which has resulted in the loss of hundreds of thousands of lives for the benefit of their gaining control and profit that must be the greatest concern.

We can all assess the events of the past three+ years and interpret them as we will. (Powers that be would argue that we have no freedom to do that but they cannot control our minds until we succumb to their propaganda machines).

For me:

-I see a crisis that was intentionally engineered by man with the power to kill hundreds of thousands of lives, which it has.

-I see a proposed remedy for the intentionally engineered plague created using methods that have never been used before and which go beyond all vaccines used formerly in terms of its extending far beyond the use of those natural elements used in all previous methods.

-I see intentionally manipulated/fabricated methods of assessing the count of victims applied throughout the accounting process to exaggerate the impact and completely confuse the matter making it impossible to properly determine the truth.

-I see trillions of dollars gained by pharma and others as a result of this crisis and its proposed remedy

-I see tremendous contradictions between what the medical/government forces are saying and the actual attempt to take measures to limit/diminish the plague;Ex.
dictating that all citizens get vaccinated, wear masks, etc., while inviting
hundreds of thousand into our southern borders/
not taking measures to restrict the entry, even of those infected with COVID,
and facilitating their deployment throughout the nation./
NOT pursuing remedies to "treat" those who acquire the sickness in the early
stages of being ill/NOT pursuing the use of all potential medicines proven to
be effective in providing remedies (We begin seeing health authorities backing
down from their demonizing Ivermectin now, hydroxochloroquine was always an
acceptable alternative but steps were also taken to make it un-acessible and
unacceptable as a treatment).

-I see oppressive governments throughout the world using the crisis and its leverage of fear, panic, and unknowns, to assert control over societies resulting in great advantage for those central government regimes. (i.e., Former protests in China, in Thailand and other nations has been squelched by government's mandates to limit sizes of gatherings, forbid travel between provinces, etc.)Meanwhile, none of their tactics have had any significant impact on providing relief from the spread.

This all leads me to resist that forcibly imposed restrictions being dictated by those powers. They have ZERO credibility for speaking the truth and demonstrating a genuine interest in eliminating the crisis.

Neil says: "It's just a vaccine". Are you really kidding me?! You give me the impression of being an intelligent and learned person so when you make such statements I interpret you as meaning it to be facetious or silly. I totally respect your right to disagree and enjoy and try to objectively assess your comments because you are a smart guy. But unless such statements are made in humor, they diminish the credibility I have for your views.

Anon.E.Moose said...

JD Rector, my sympathies for the loss of your brother to this horrible disease.

I do not know if this chapter in history will be written accurately. I believe that if it is, we (as a society/culture) will be soundly criticized fro what we did. Now that we do have vaccination, the continued draconian visitation policies are not defensible. Tyranny is “cruel and unreasonable.” Separating families at the time of death is cruel and unreasonable. Yes, if a patient is dying of COVID, there is a risk to family members to be present, but let them decide if they want to accept that risk. Often times, family has already been exposed by taking care of a person before they are hospitalized. For remote family, that risk is not present but it should be a family's right to choose. Also, know that these policies hurt not only the family and loved ones, who are not allowed to be physically present, but they also injure healthcare workers (moral injury), who are very aware of the suffering that these policies induce (and who try to replace the space of loved ones, but know that their presence is an inadequate substitute).

Going off topic a little, but…..in the name of safety, we made our elderly and infirm literal prisoners of nursing homes. How do we take the moral high ground for that? How do we document the elderly that died and suffered because of “failure to thrive” from the loss of family love and contact? In the beginning, it was a appropriate, but as infection entered these facilities from HCW’s or trips to other medical facilities, these draconian policies should have been re-evaluated. They were not.

How do we say that a failure to educate a generation of children, who had minimal risk from this disease, was good leaves me clueless as well. This has never been about protecting the children but about protecting adults, who SHOULD be invested in protecting children If not obvious, I am upset and angry about what the government has forced us and continues to force us to do.

“WWJD?”. What WOULD Jesus do if confronted with SARS CoV2? I have prayed on this a lot, and MY answer is to go, to be present and to comfort. The answer may be different for others (because I know God works that way….) For me, “Fear not and know that I am God” is what resonates in my heart day after day. The rest I leave to God. If I am to die of this disease, I will die of this disease praying that I lived my life well and that I followed His calling.

Life can never be absolutely safe. Jesus’ life shows us that. He took risks to confront the authorities for policies the He found unreasonable. Nowhere does the Bible say to live a life without risk.

Gerald Polmateer said...

This video shows the science https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5DXs8xxaMU&t=65s

Gerald Polmateer said...

I was hoping someone would post the list of who is exempt from the "vaccine" mandate. We know the vaccine is so important that companies less than 100 employees are exempt which covers most companies in the U.S.

Wade Burleson said...

Gerald,

Very funny video.

And a very prescient comment that follows.

The illogic stupidity of these government mandates is absurd.

Rex Ray said...

Anon.E.Moose,

You gave this link:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/10/15/remarks-by-president-biden-at-the-dedication-of-the-dodd-center-for-human-rights

Biden’s articulate long-winded speech was obvious written by his speech writers because of the history of him refusing to answer questions by News reporters. He refuses because he’s unable to give a sensible reply.

Wade Burleson said...

Rex,

Yes. You are correct.

Christiane said...

For all who oppose tyranny, I recommend this book by the former mayor of my brother's town, Charlottesville VA; Mr. Signer was mayor when Nazis paraded with torches some years ago:

https://www.publicaffairsbooks.com/titles/michael-signer/cry-havoc/9781541736139/



Anon.E.Moose said...

The Science (tm).
“FDA panel unanimously recommends Moderna COVID booster shots for at-risk adults.” (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/14/fda-panel-unanimously-recommends-moderna-covid-booster-shots-for-at-risk-adults.html) Read the attached article. Sounds like a good thing, eh? They don't really mention the strength of the data supporting this recommendation.

Let’s write about The Science (tm). “Effectiveness of a booster dose of the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine in adults ≥18 years of age was based on neutralizing antibody titers (ID50) against a pseudovirus expressing the SARSCoV-2 Spike protein from the USA_WA1/2020 isolate carrying the D614G mutation (D614G strain). Immunobridging analyses compared the neutralizing antibody titers 1 month following the booster dose (N=149) to the corresponding titers 1 month after completion of the primary series in a random subset of participants 18 years of age and older from the Phase 3 efficacy study (P301; N=1055).” (https://www.fda.gov/media/152991/download)
Of the people in the cut off date, 18 participants tested positive for SARS CoV2. One of the 18 was symptomatic.
From the study, “Effectiveness of the booster dose against the D614G strain is being inferred based on immunobridging to the 2-dose primary series, as assessed by SARS-CoV-2 neutralizing antibody titers elicited by the vaccine. Immunobridging analyses against the D614G strain met the pre-specified success criteria for the GMT ratio (P201B/P301).” Yet, when we talked about people with disease induced immunity, we are repeatedly told that antibody titers can not be used because we do not know what level represents effective immunity.

Let that sink in: the recommendation for booster doses of Moderna vaccine is based on a study of ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY NINE PEOPLE with an inferred clinical endpoint. I hate to yell, but that seems like a might small sample size. AND, it has to do with a surrogate endpoint, not true, demonstrated clinical efficacy. I’m OK with that for some things, but when you start recommending otherwise healthy people receive a therapeutic that hasn’t been proven to be clinical beneficial, don’t you think a larger sample size with a better chance of finding rare side effects might be warranted? You know....really determine the risk versus benefit of said therapeutic?

Dr. Patrick Moore, MD of the University of Pittsburgh Cancer Institute said of his affirmative vote: “”I’ve got real issues with this vote ... [it's] more of a gut feeling rather than really truly serious data," he said. "I think it's very important that companies coming to VRBPAC ... really take seriously that we need to see good, solid data, and it needs to be explained well." Yes, he based this positive vote on a gut feeling.
https://youtu.be/QrMMuyDf8MM?t=23694

The voting question (interjecting again….based on a pseudo end-point of 149 trial participants was)…..
"Do available data support the safety and effectiveness of Moderna COVID-19 vaccine for use under EUA as a booster dose (50 mcg mRNA-1273) at least 6 months after completion of a primary series in the following populations:
+Individuals 65 years of age and older,
+Individuals 18 through 64 years of age at high risk of severe COVID-19 and
+Individuals 18 through 64 years of age whose frequent institutional or occupational exposure to SARS CoV2 puts them at high risk of serious complications of COVID-19 including severe COVID-19"

One of the committee members noted that it has never been shown that HCW’s are at increased risk of complicated COVID 19 as opposed to the regular population so he had a hard time with inclusion of that group in the vote, but he did vote “yes” so it was an unanimous vote. Just throw those HCW's under the bus, again, and let them be the test group.

Christiane said...

There is one statistic that hits home with my medical family, this:

that people who have been vaccinated against covid are NOT the ones dying from it in the ER's and the Covid Wards in hospitals across our nation.

Whatever we may discover in future about the bad effects of the vaccine, this one statistic takes precedence, because of the OTHER statistic that 'speaks' as 'silent witness' sadly to our people, this:
that currently among the dead from covid, almost all were unvaccinated


almost 700,000 Americans have died now from covid

I don't say 'force' anyone to take any vaccination, no. But I also support keeping the general population as safe as is possible and when many of the unvaccinated fight against 'distancing' and 'masking',
I have to wonder if, FOR THEM,
the agenda is more one of 'denial' of the virus as
"a 'hoax' designed to get Trump out of office" ?

?

politics? 'sides'?

all pales when a person you care about is suffering;

and NO, I will never think it is 'okay' that anyone needlessly 'die' as a demonstration of support for a political entity, that is NOT something that any Christian person can support, as idolatry in our faith is forbidden, as well as 'sacrifices' made to 'support' the advancement of any political demagogue. It becomes clear to me now that 'freedom' in our country means from ALL kinds of tyranny, most especially the ones that DEMAND 'loyalty' in the face of misinformation and disinformation.

Time to re-examine Christian values that transcend political 'sides', and to salvage what is most dear to all Christian people. And no, the pointing of the finger never was a Christian practice. Nor was placing the vulnerable and helpless into situations where there is 'no mercy' from any human hands that might have reached out to help them AND where no Christian voices were raised to speak against their suffering.

We Americans will reap what we have sown. May God have mercy on the helpless and on ALL of us, even on the ones who stand silent and watch the suffering of the innocent and do nothing to stop that suffering. Maybe most especially these silent persons need the mercy of God's grace as help to overcome hubris and blindness. We all constantly need the mercy of God but some have forgotten this along the way.

I support that people are free to listen to the voice of their own moral conscience, and may it be for them a voice that steers them to honorable service to others that reveals the better angels of our human nature.

Gerald Polmateer said...

Interestingly very few know the basic definition of science many were taught in elementary school. Experimental or scientific research is repeatable. No experimental research is verified by science. It is verified by statistics within selected parameters which is verified by mathematics. In the end science is only as good as the scientist. I majored in a science in college and later did work in ethics at the doctoral level. I found it quite interesting to see a lack of ethics in some cases where I would have expected an extreme case of a high ethical standard. In my research I did some studying about where money and ethics meet. I noticed in so many cases the level of ethics was high until one thing happened. When the rewards for doing well were accompanied by money, ethics often seriously lacked.

The vaccine manufacturers assume no liability for what they manufacture. Would anyone buy a product knowing the manufacturer is exempt from liability by law?
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/300aa-22

Anon.E.Moose said...

Mr. Polmateer, very true regarding "The Science". Rather than understanding the limits of science (which is limited by the human brain), we have elevated The Science to the status of God -- we have invoked The Science (tm) as the saving force, when only God has that power.

I dabbled in the world of science. That period of my life confirmed my faith in God. To go from atoms to amino acids, from amino acids to proteins intermixed with lipids and other things, from that mix to a thinking feeling human being with a soul: there has to be a miraculous and ever powerful God in the mix.

Thought this video was a great documentation of The Science around the vaccines.... https://twitter.com/ke11ybender/status/1448936949012578304?s=20 It is good for a laugh, if nothing else.

If you listen to the FDA meeting re: Moderna booster (OK, I didn't listen to the whole thing.....I just listened here and there), some good points were made by the committee members. Since the Moderna vaccine is being approved off of a data set of 149 people with a surrogate endpoint of boosting immunity (with an acknowledgement that we have no clue what level of immunity is required to be protective.......), one of the committee members asked why level required for protection has not been established. Another member noted that in the trial, 18 participants were found to be positive for SARS CoV2 during the trial period; however, only one was symptomatic. If the vaccinated can be carriers, all the vaccination in the world is not going to get rid of the disease. It will continue to percolate.....and then, one might have to ask some hard questions as VOC (variants of concern) pop up here and there, especially if we continue to select for more lethal variants like delta, rather than less lethal which is the normal course of vaccine mutation. (The last is my concern, not voiced by any of the FDA committee members during the time that I listened.)

Once again, I am not anti-vaxx; however, I think we need to be realistic about what vaccination will do and to be honest about the risks (one of the FDA committee members did question why it seemed to take so long to get an accurate assessment of the true incidence of adverse effects from the vaccines). The push needs to be for the non-immune to get vaccinated, not just EVERYONE. We need to stop dividing the country over this. I have chosen to be vaccinated. As such, I have minimal fears about being around someone who might be infected -- yes, I might get sick, but the vaccines are still powerful with respect to protecting from severe illness and death. Therefore, if YOU choose not to get vaccinated, if you get the virus, I pray you do well and I will be saddened if you lose your life to it, but that was your choice. If you have disease induced immunity, I consider you in the same pool as me. We both have a small risk of being infected again, but unless we have significant comorbidities, if we get infected again, I believe that we will be fine with minimal risk of death. (BTW, since vaccination, 4500 fully vaccinated Americans have died of COVID. This is a number far greater than the number of children that have died during the entire time of COVID (approximately 600 -- with only a handful of those chidren not having significant comorbidities).

Christiane said...

FYI

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaers-deaths/fact-check-vaers-reported-vaccine-deaths-have-not-been-confirmed-or-deemed-causal-by-cdc-idUSL1N2MZ2H8

(seems to be some disagreement about sourcing of information - no wonder there is so much confusion among people who 'trust' only certain 'sources')

Jonathan Sarfati, Ph.D. said...

Lissa Roberson, you raise an important point about the Chinese vaccines. They are indeed far less efficient than the RNA vaccines. But some people would prefer these inferior vaccines, because they are more “traditional” vaccines, unlike the allegedly experimental RNA vaccines. I on the other hand prefer the new type, because they induce a purer response of neutralizing antibodies (no danger of ADE), have fewer antigens, can be tweaked more easily with no need to culture whole organisms, and need no adjuvants to provoke immune response because RNA does that automatically.

Jonathan Sarfati, Ph.D. said...

Gerald Polmateer:
“The vaccine manufacturers assume no liability for what they manufacture.”

Thank goodness they do not, otherwise frivolous lawsuits would have driven them away from vaccine manufacture, and American children would have died from vaccine-preventable diseases.

Fortunately, for a change, Congress did the right thing. They protected vaccine manufacturers from America's national pastime of vexatious litigation in return for a specialist vaccine court paid for by a levy on each vaccine dose. Then the conservatives on the Supreme Court, led by the late Scalia J., saved American children from the parasite lawyers. The court's leftists, the late notorious RBG and Sotomayor JJ. sided with the trial lawyer complex.

I am perplexed at why so many conservatives are siding with the trial lawyers (and with glacially paced government bureaucracies like the FDA) against good medical science.

Rex Ray said...

Jonathan Sarfati, Ph.D.

Have you heard that some get the disease ‘shingles’ after getting Covid shots? It happened to my daughter.


Wade,

Is Mark 6:3 the only place in the Bible that mentions the sisters of Jesus?

I think Catholics believe Mary had only one baby; that all the others were from a previous marriage by her husband.

I believe Mary was the first surrogate mother in the world. Others say no because Jesus had to be part man in order to be tempted. Are not all things possible with God? Also, Jesus told the devil “…do not tempt God.”

Anon.E.Moose said...

Rex, understanding what is caused by a vaccine versus being a normal thing that happened because it happened is quite difficult.

Post wave 1 of COVID, the acuity in our hospital failed to go back to baseline. It stayed at a very high level (primarily heart disease, but a lot of sepsis, as well). One of the docs at the hospital is very vocal and thinks that it is from the vaccine, yet how do you parse that concern from knowing that for 10 months the media put the fear of virus into people and many were not going to their routine doctor appointments. Eventually, you pay the piper for that. Talk to the cardiologists, and the think that the high acuity post wave 1 was from people being too afraid to come in for their routine visits so a lot of routine care was lost.

However, with concerns like that in the back of my mind (don't get me wrong, I support vaccination for the non-immune BUT we are NOT going to vaccinate our way out of this disease for a lot of different reasons), I do think it important to talk about and consider those concerns. We also need to consider those concerns as we roll forward and recommend boosters. I am absolutely horrified that the FDA is recommending the booster for Moderna based on safety data from a study set of 149 people. Listening to a portion of the discussion, there was a concern that not enough minorities were included.....how about just not enough people, period?

On the flip side......
In an interim analysis of Merk’s new drug Molnupiravir for treatment of COVID 19, the risk of hospitalization was decreased by 50% (7.3%, 28/385 compared to 14.1%, 53/377 of placebo, p=0.0012) through Day 29. No deaths were reported in the investigational arm compared to 8 deaths in the placebo arm. Based on this data, the FDA recommended that recruitment in the study stop. (https://www.merck.com/news/merck-and-ridgebacks-investigational-oral-antiviral-molnupiravir-reduced-the-risk-of-hospitalization-or-death-by-approximately-50-percent-compared-to-placebo-for-patients-with-mild-or-moderat/). The meeting for the FDA to evaluate this data is scheduled for NOVEMBER 30. ( https://insidehealthpolicy.com/daily-news/fda-panel-will-meet-nov-30-discuss-merck%E2%80%99s-oral-covid-19-drug )

It is almost like they (the administrative state) want us to die.
1. Reading further down, the study had nearly completed the full recruitment into the study at the time of the decision to stop (90% of the planned 1550), but why stop a study that is so resoundingly positive? Stopping the study will, in the end, create under-powered subset analysis. Yeah, let them submit based on partial data, but why stop? Stopping the study early also removes a few people that might have been included in the study from getting the drug (and therefore benefiting).
2. FDA, if you told them to stop early based on a subset of data, why are you waiting so long to review the data? It’s not like people aren’t dying in between. Hard to argue that the FDA wants the data to mature after the recommendation for a Moderna booster based on almost no data (btw, the greenlight for the Pfizer booster was also based on only a few hundred people. The Israeli experience was not supposed to have been considered, but was obviously taken into account).

The anticipated cost of production of Molnupiravir versus anticipated market cost is for a different discussion…….

Remember, the octogenarian physician in charge championed vaccines for managing HIV but therapeutics changed HIV/AIDS from a death sentence to a chronic disease. Why move so rapidly on boosters for a "non-sterilizing" vaccine (based on a "gut" feeling) but move so slowly on a therapeutic where the company was told to shut down the trial. For the therapeutic, you are treating sick people who have a much higher risk of dying than the general population receiving the vaccine.

Anon.E.Moose said...

BTW, when I write "it is almost like they (the administrative state) want us to die" I recognize I am being dramatic in my writing. However, the number of mis-steps that the public health machine has made during this pandemic is very high. I get it: no one has lived through a pandemic and tried to manage it. However, putting the number of mistakes in the back drop of social media now shutting down on discussion that they consider mis-information (WHO defines that?), it becomes very hard not feel like dramatic writing is the answer.

Wade Burleson said...

Anon E Moose,

Superb comment. Thank you for telling us the date of November 30, 2021, for the FDA to approve Molnupiravir and the information that the government wanted this drug stopped in an effort to continue with national vaccination.

You write, "It is almost like they (the administrative state) want us to die."

I do know that Klause Schwabb and the elitists have a "number" in mind for what the world population SHOULD be. It's crazy that Americans have no understanding that eugenics, abortion, and "death to the old, disabled, and mentally compromised" is part of an agenda of those in power. It happened in WWII Germany (a Lutheran nation) and it darn sure can happen in 2021 globalism (a pagan world in need of a moral, spiritual, and global revival of faith in the LORD).

I tend to believe that the elitists and globalists want conformity and medicines that treat the symptoms of Covid might convince more people NOT to get the vaccine, and conformity doesn't happen.

Wade Burleson said...

Rex,

I believe Mary was a virgin and 1/2 the DNA is from her (the Son of Man) and 1/2 of Jesus' DNA was from the invisible and immortal Father God (the Son of God). EMMANUEL - God in the flesh - means "God visited us" and "he who has seen Me has seen the Father."

Blessings!

Wade Burleson said...

Dr. Sarfati,

You write, "Lissa Roberson, you raise an important point about the Chinese vaccines. They are indeed far less efficient than the RNA vaccines. But some people would prefer these inferior vaccines, because they are more “traditional” vaccines, unlike the allegedly experimental RNA vaccines. I on the other hand prefer the new type, because they induce a purer response of neutralizing antibodies (no danger of ADE), have fewer antigens, can be tweaked more easily with no need to culture whole organisms, and need no adjuvants to provoke immune response because RNA does that automatically."

Thank you for this. I always appreciate sound reasoning for why a person takes the vaccine. I wholly support not only such a decision, but roundly appreciate such acumen behind the reasoning.

"Thou almost persuadest me to become vaccinated." Almost. But not quite.

I still will really on my diseased induced and recovery antibodies and trust that those antibodies will continue to grow more and more robust the more I come in contact with the entire DNA string of 6,000 coronavirues.

Wade Burleson said...

Christiane,

Thank you for the link. I plan on reading it. I agree with the premise that fascism can be both from the right and the left. People forget that Nazism was leftist.
https://www.publicaffairsbooks.com/titles/michael-signer/cry-havoc/9781541736139/

Anon.E.Moose said...

Just to get back to the original topic of this post (although I do think that vaccine mandate on the already immune is tyranny …..):
The US DOJ has weaponized the FBI to go after parents that are protesting what public schools are doing. “Citing an increase in harassment, intimidation and threats of violence against school board members, teachers and workers in our nation’s public schools, today Attorney General Merrick B. Garland directed the FBI and U.S. Attorneys’ Offices to meet in the next 30 days with federal, state, Tribal, territorial and local law enforcement leaders to discuss strategies for addressing this disturbing trend. These sessions will open dedicated lines of communication for threat reporting, assessment and response by law enforcement. “ (https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-addresses-violent-threats-against-school-officials-and-teachers ; https://www.justice.gov/ag/page/file/1438986/download ). The Louisiana, Virginia, Pennsylvania and Florida school board associations have quit the NSBA in protest over the memo from AG Garland.
We are seeing teachers and parents silenced. In Loudon County Virginia, an elementary school teacher Byron “Tanner” Cross voiced his opposition to proposed policies surrounding gender (the use of preferred pronouns) (His assertion was that boys and can not be girls and vice versa). He was suspended. He was reinstated after suing. The same school board had a member (now resigned) who was part of a FB group that was “doxxing” concerned parents. (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mcconnell-garland-crt-critical-race-theory-justice-department-fbi-parents-school-boards See McConnell’s letter part way down). In the mean time, a father is arrested at a Loudon County school board meeting for having the temerity to question their policy on transgender kids as that policy had resulted in his daughter being raped in a school bathroom. (https://news.yahoo.com/loudoun-county-sheriff-responds-misinformation-033700876.html) Although the school board initially denied knowledge of this event, it has since become apparent that the event DID happen and that they transgender/bisexual boy has assaulted another girl.

This is obviously a very complex story with lots of moving parts, but at this point it feels like the government is now going after anyone who questions their agenda whether it be an elementary school teacher or a father protecting his daughter (BTW, in this crazy world, who is protecting our daughters?)

Gerald Polmateer said...

I believe what has happened around the world is no mistake in that it was intended. In 2015 Bill Gates spoke https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Af6b_wyiwI about getting ready for a pandemic.

Why is it so few are demanding answers about why the U.S. was ever in China and why was our government leaders funding research in China. Biden and some others said China would be a good deal for America. Corruption is so bad in China that is takes about 25 years for the corrupt people to be dealt with. Who would trust a government we believe is corrupt and have evidence of violations of human rights. Those kind of people are evil and manipulative. A bad tree doesn't produce good fruit. A the core of this issue is not the vaccine or COVID. Those are the results and how to deal with them. That is like saying we can deal with an evil man without justice and deal with the results of evil by trying to educate the evil person.

I cannot think of a single time in which atrocities were not started and perpetuated by the intelligentsia. To get at the core of this we must not spend a lot of time arguing about the smoke and mirrors but justice must be swift and the unethical evil acts must be dealt with. why would anyone trust the words of a professional when the profession does not tell a consistent story and has been caught being like a chameleon when questioned before Congress. This sort of thing is also present in the church. The church in America as a whole has become weaker and weaker. Notice the books in a Bible bookstore. Ask people in the church and even the staff if they can tell you what the gospel is. I was shocked when I asked people I know if they could tell me what they think the gospel is. These are people who are going to church each week and most are in a small group. Nobody could tell me except one. When I asked if they had any training in a church not one could say they did. I asked a man who had worked in a large church and is now with a Christian organization and he could not ell me what he thought the gospel is. He asked me why he should know that. I asked him to interpret Romans 1:16. So many want entertainment and fun on Sunday morning declaring it help them to live the Christian life. When I hear someone say that I ask them how their devotional life is. Every time they have said they don't have one or they struggle. Last week I had a lady tell me she doesn't want to be an offense to someone. I told her the gospel is offensive. She doesn't need to worry about being an offense. She will be. However some will respond. I talked to her about Romans 1:16. We can be conservative in our theology and live like practical atheists. Our beliefs are shown in how we live and what we say. Too much sugar water is given out on Sundays in the name of church growth and not equipping the saints. Too many believe equipping the saints is done solely though instruction. When Jesus sent out his disciples he instructed and showed how it was done and then he sent them out. How many pastors even preach and teach the Bible, and send out people. How many are actually equipping the saints for ministry.Jesus saw the people lost and without a shepherd. If the church is weak so will the rest of society be weak. The world does not have a steady compass because they do not know God. I can say from experience very few college students who claim to be Christians can give reason for faith. Those who claim to have walked away from the church simply give a "repeat after me answer".

The root of the problem is not at the top of the tree. What we see at the top is simply results of a deeper problem.

Christiane said...

Hello WADE,

Thank you for responding. I hope the link helps some.

I do respectfully disagree with the idea that fascism is of the 'left'. The way I had it explained to me by a university history professor was that there is a 'continuum' of political activity with 'extremes' at both 'ends' of the continuum.

He drew a horizontal line on the board. At one end, he put 'communism' and at the other end, he wrote 'fascism', explaining that the two were opposing ideologies which today, in their extreme forms, would most certainly be tyrannies;

as they were tyrannies in the '40's when Adolf Hitler ruled Germany at the one extreme ideological end, and Stalin ruled Russia at the other extreme ideological end. We were taught that the Nazis were far right wing and the Communists were far left wing.

Dr. Frank, who taught my Western Civilization class, was educated in England. We met years later at his Church when I was a guest visitor there and there was a gathering after the service. I told him I still remembered how he presented the 'development of law' in Western Civilization so very clearly. He remembered the very class, as that year, one of our classmates was Ron Horne, the first African American student to attend. (long time ago, yes)

I'm sure there are many ways of looking at 'Nazism', but I agree it is 'facist' and not 'communist'. I am reminded also by my family in Charlottesville that many of the participants in the 'Unite the Right' event were shouting Nazi slogans. I am aware of other alternate descriptions of Nazism, yes. We see things differently, but I'm 'okay' with that. I do respect your right to see things in your own way.
Have a good Lord's Day, Wade; and 'stay safe and healthy' is my prayer for you and yours.

J D Rector said...

Anon E. Moose:
Thank you kindly for your sympathy shared in the loss of my brother to COVID.
Blessings...

J.D.Rector

Gerald Polmateer said...

This video might help to show the condition of science and education at the university level being taught https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5EPymcWp-g&t=2471s

Rex Ray said...

Wade,

You said, “1/2 the DNA is from her (the Son of Man) and 1/2 of Jesus' DNA was from the invisible and immortal Father God.”

“...Don’t you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me?...” (John 14:10 NLT)

He didn’t say Mary was in him.

Catholics pray to Mary, but Jesus said, “You can ask for anything in my name, and I will do it, so that the Son can bring glory to the Father. Yes, ask for anything in my name, and I will do it.” (John 14:13-14 NLT)

Gerald Polmateer said...

Jonathan Sarfati, Ph.D. said...

Gerald Polmateer:
“The vaccine manufacturers assume no liability for what they manufacture.”

Thank goodness they do not, otherwise frivolous lawsuits would have driven them away from vaccine manufacture, and American children would have died from vaccine-preventable diseases.

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Talk to some lawyers from say Europe and ask how they handle frivolous lawsuits. They don't allow them and neither did we at one time. If your same argument were used for any other business that requires a license to operate there would be no recourse for intentional or unintentional negligence. You might contends that the lack of liability may serve the greater good but you are also making an assumption they are ethical in serving the greater good and we know that is not always the case. We do know that people are often ethical until money as an incentive comes in contact with ethics. When I was in Finland all research was done by their government not pharmaceutical companies and they have a very good and swift judicial system with no plea bargaining. The people have every confidence in their judicial system because they know what happens to those who violate the law no matter who they are.

Rex Ray said...

Wade,

Does Jesus still have DNA from Mary?

Gerald Polmateer said...

It would be good to hear some comments about what this doctor says https://www.facebook.com/messenger_media/?thread_id=100009514803159&attachment_id=232976775482394&message_id=mid.%24cAAAABnPfjvWCwL6K3V8j3lAsM6O4

Christiane said...

Hello out there, REX RAY
I was glad to see that Wade was helping you to understand the meaning of 'Emmanuel'.
I'm sharing an 'antiphon' written by an Anglican (Episcopal) priest, Malcolm Guite that I think helped me to comprehend better the mystery of the Incarnation of Christ, this:


"O Emmanuel"

O come, O come, and be our God-with-us
O long-sought With-ness for a world without,
O secret seed, O hidden spring of light.

Come to us Wisdom, come unspoken Name
Come Root, and Key, and King, and holy Flame

O quickened little wick so tightly curled,
Be folded with us into time and place,
Unfold for us the mystery of grace
And make a womb of all this wounded world.

O heart of heaven beating in the earth,
O tiny hope within our hopelessness
Come to be born, to bear us to our birth,
To touch a dying world with new-made hands
And make these rags of time our swaddling bands."


Hope you had a good Lord's Day, REX RAY.

Christiane said...

REX RAY,

Mary is honored by Catholics as she was by her cousin, St. Elizabeth who called her 'the mother of my Lord' (from the first chapter of the Holy Gospel of St. Luke, this:

"Mary Visits Elizabeth

…41 When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. 42 In a loud voice she exclaimed, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! 43 And why am I so honored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? . . . "

https://youtu.be/lMydR6G0U4o

Jonathan Sarfati, Ph.D. said...

Fascism was definitely on the Left by most definitions: huge powerful government, high regulation of corporations, compulsory rigidly secular government schooling, ban on homeschooling (a Nazi policy that Germany has still to repeal), progressive taxation, and public works programs (aka shovel-ready jobs, stimulus spending).

If conservatism means individualism, traditional morality, limited government, school choice, and free markets, then fascism is diametrically opposed.

The great Thomas Sowell wrote about this many years ago.

Rex Ray said...

CHRISTIANE,

Yes, Luke 1:41-43.

The question is, did God turn his Son into a sperm or a fertilized egg?
Would you agree He could do either one?

Yesterday, my grandson, Sam, and his wife who lived with us a long time came to visit. With them was their three-month-old HEAVY baby boy. The word spread, and soon my daughter and sister were taking turns of holding him when they could get him away from Judy.

Wade Burleson said...

Ray,

I personally believe Jesus has the DNA of Mary, but that's definitely a "how many angels can dance on the head of a needle" type question. :)

I do agree God can do either one.

Wade Burleson said...

Gerald,

Revealing and chilling video both.

(Summary) What if our scientific inquiries ALL point in one direction (which they do), that there must be an Intelligent Designer. Information in the genetic code doesn't come from "Natural Selection." Darwin was wrong. The more manipulation, the less information. From where does all this original DNA genetic code in the cellar level come? Science points to a Designer. You can't understand science, DNA, nanoparticles, and the rest of the incredible composition at the cellular level without engineering processes. It isn't by chance, it is by design that we exist. All of the science agrees. But, again, what do we do when ALL our scientific inquires point in one direction, that there is a God who created this Universe?

"Strengen verboten" (German). It is strongly forbidden.

That is the state of our educational system. It is strongly forbidden to talk about God and thus, we are unscientific and paganly religious in our schools.

Rex Ray said...

Wade,

Yes, that head of a pin can get pretty sticky, but I’d like to believe that Jesus came to earth exactly as he left heaven and returned to heaven without any changes.

Gerald Polmateer said...

Rex Ray
"Yes, that head of a pin can get pretty sticky,. . "

You said it well. That is funny and so true. Would that be like some kind of sub nano glue?

Gerald Polmateer said...

Wade,

I had some email exchanges with a professor at IA State University who was pushing an anti-God agenda during the time when the former IA State professor was there and did not get tenure. I found it quite interesting how stupid he became over the years. His approach was one of that if something was not found it never existed. So I asked him about Oral Tradition. He seemed to know almost nothing about the transmission of the text and how there are anachronisms. For example if one starts with Exodus 1:11 and dates the city of Raamses in the text to the time of Raamses the dates in other parts of the text will be off by about 200 years. If one understands that the Hebrew text was updated so people knew the location by the new name at that the earlier name was Avaris everything fits. What the archaeologists have discovered and dated fits the time and locations of the exodus. To start with a point of thinking the text was always the same is simply not true. The city I live near is the same area but has a new name than what it once was. The religious establishment has led people to believe things that are simply not true. we know that the Hebrew text was updated with living out the text in mind and not having an original text to preserve. At about 500AD the Masoretes began to compile the Hebrew texts to come up with one which was finished about 1000 AD. The religious leaders need to be honest with people and not give them a bunch of defenseless nonsense. Too many religious leaders have an agenda of promoting the version they like in accordance with religious politicians they align with. The truth has no agenda and has not politicians because it does not need any. The IA State professor I mentioned had grown up in a Pentecostal home and was preaching by age 17 until he went to college and was challenged and then walked away from the faith because he was defenseless. In An Introduction to Biblical Hebrew Syntax by Waltke and O'Connor on pages 3-30 is written a history of the transmission of the Hebrew text. In the book A Student's Guide to Textual Criticism of the Bible: Its History, Methods and Results by Paul D. Wegner is written much the same thing. Amos prophesied against those who perverted worship by mixing in other gods with God. I would contend that many people have bought into the idea of how to build a church but have given little thought to what the role of the leaders is. While they might know intellectually it is Christ's church they are not being his servant and shepherding the church as Christ's body and equipping them for the work rather than just holding classes taught a the cognitive level.

Rex Ray said...

Gerald Polmateer,

I’ve never heard of a sub nano glue.

With your knowledge of translations of the Bible, do you know who and how the New Living Translation was written, and how do you like it?

Christiane said...

Dear people,
please pray for the missionaries who were kidnapped in Haiti

Gerald Polmateer said...

Rex Ray

"I’ve never heard of a sub nano glue." Neither have I. It was written in jest.

I have not paid much attention to the NLT and don't own one. So I do not have an opinion on it. One of the websites I really like is https://www.stepbible.org/

It has several translations available to the person using that site. There are so many things that site can do. One can download several translations for use offline but some are only available online.

Rex Ray said...

Gerald Polmateer,

I checked your link in Genesis, and compared some of it to the NLT. I printed a verse of the link, followed by the NLT.

Verse 2: “The earth was void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.”

Verse 2: The earth was formless and empty, and darkness covered the deep waters. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters.” NLT

Verse 3: And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.”
Verse 3: Then God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.” NLT

Verse 4: And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness.
Verse 4: And God saw that the light was good. Then he separated the light from the darkness.” NLT

Verse 5: God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.
Verse 5: God called the light “Day”, and the darkness “Night”.
And evening passed and morning came, marking the first day. NLT

Verse 6: And God said, “Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.”

Verse 6: Then God said, “Let there be a space between the waters, to separate the waters of the heavens from the waters of the earth. NLT

Verse 7: And God made the expanse and separated the waters that were under the expanse from the waters that were above the expanse. And it was so.

Verse 7: And that is what happened. God made this space to separate the waters of the earth from the waters of the heavens. NLT

Verse 8: And God called the expanse Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day.

Verse 8: God called the space “sky.” And evening passed and morning came making the second day.

Christiane said...

" I’d like to believe that Jesus came to earth exactly as he left heaven and returned to heaven without any changes."

Hello REX RAY,

I went and looked up some of the early ideas people had about 'who Christ was' and the only one that looked like it MIGHT be close to what you are wanting to believe is this:

Docetism: The name comes from the Greek word dokesis, meaning "to seem." Along the same lines as Sabellianism, Docetism says that Christ was not a real human being and did not have a real human body. He only seemed to be human to us.

Here is some more about that early belief:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docetism


REX RAY,
orthodox Christians have rejected Docetism as a 'heresy' since the early Councils of the Church. There were MANY different ideas about 'Who Christ Was' in the early Church and MANY different 'gospels'. The Church held councils to clarify the original authentic Apostolic teachings and the Church, in collegial councils, wrote the early creeds to be handed down.

My own Church especially has reverence for the part of the holy Scriptures which say: 'and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us' . . . when this is read aloud on Christmas Eve, the congregation kneels for a moment in silence to honor this teaching . . . it is called the 'Incarnation' and is a great mystery, so Wade is right to say something about questions that 'assume' too much about 'details' and Wade compares these questions to someone asking 'how many angels can dance on the head of a pin' :) We can look at God's mysteries with wonder and awe, just the portions of them that were revealed to us. We humans do not have the ability to understand the great mysteries of our faith, no. Not yet.

A literary note:
The writer Mary Oliver once famously said:

" I don’t care how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
It’s enough to know that for some people they exist,
and that they dance.” :)

Anon.E.Moose said...

I must admit, I love the growing pushback, and I am shocked where it is found at times.

The attorney general of Nebraska (AG Peterson) was asked by Dannette Smith, the CEO of the Nebraska Department of Health and Human Services if it was “unlawful” for doctors to prescribe HCQ or Ivermectin as early treatment or prophylaxis for COVID-19. Rather than just respond "no" he created one of the best reviews of the early use of Ivermectin and HCQ for COVID 19 that I have seen. There are so many gems in this tome.... (https://ago.nebraska.gov/sites/ago.nebraska.gov/files/docs/opinions/21-017_0.pdf).

Page 11, with more than 3.7 billion doses of ivermectin given on VigiAccess there have been 5,674 side effects resgiestered since 1980 while remdesivir has had more than 7,000 side effects registered since it was approved for use in 2020. With this in mind, he calls out the FDA saying that ivermectin is unsafe goes against a lot of evidence to the contrary. Page 23, "Moreover, a review of the studies on remdesivir makes it difficult to understand why the FDA would condemn the data supporting ivermectin. The NIH reports only five studies testing remdesivir's efficacy against COVID-19.146 Three of those five studies show no benefit from remdesivir, with the largest of those concluding that remdesivir "didnot decrease in-hospital mortality in hospitalized patients."147 Even the two remaining studies are far from compelling. One found that "[h]ospitalized patients ... who received5 days of [remdesivir] had better outcomes," but the difference "was of uncertain clinical importance."148 And while the other study indicated that remdesivir "reduced time to clinical recovery" for "patients with severe COVID-19," it also found "[n]o observed benefit... in patients with mild or moderate COVID-19" and "[n]o statistically significant difference in mortality."149 Beyond that, in September 2021, the Lancet published the resultsof a large RCT (the DisCoVeRy trial) that found "[n]o clinical benefit ... from the use of remdesivir in patients who were admitted to hospital for COVID-19, were symptomatic formore than 7 days, and required oxygen support."150 The data on ivermectin thus appears at least as strong as the data on remdesivir." YES!

Anon.E.Moose said...

From AG Peterson of Nebraska regarding Merck and ivermectin (Merck is the company that produces ivermectin, they are also the company that has produced the new drug for treatment of COVID molnupiravir)
Page 28: "Merck's February 2021 statement expressed its view that there is "[n]o meaningful evidence for ... clinical efficacy in patients with COVID-19,"176 but this simply ignores the RCTs demonstrating ivermectin's efficacy. Merck then claimed that there is "[a] concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies."177 While worded vaguely, this statement, when read carefully, says next to nothing. It simply acknowledges that many of the studies it references did not track safety data. It is not saying, though it might be implying, that the studies showed the medicine to be dangerous."

Continued page 29: "Why would ivermectin's original patentholder go out of its way to question this medicine by creating the impression that it might not be safe? There are at least two plausible reasons. First, ivermectin is no longer under patent, so Merck does not profit from it anymore. That likely explains why Merck declined to "conduct[] clinical trials" on ivermectin and COVID-19 when given the chance.178 Second, Merck has a significant financial interest in the medical profession rejecting ivermectin as an early treatment for COVID-19. "[T]he U.S. government has agreed to pay [Merck] about $1.2 billion for 1.7 million courses of its experimental COVID-19 treatment, if it is proven to work in an ongoing large trial and authorized by U.S. regulators."179 That treatment, known as "molnupiravir, aims to stop COVID-19 from progressing and can be given early in the course of the disease."180 On October 1, 2021, Merck announced that preliminary studies indicate that molnupiravir "reduced hospitalizations and deaths by half,"181 and that same day its stock price "jumped as much as 12.3%."182 Thus, if low-cost ivermectin works better than-or even the same as-molnupiravir, that could cost Merck billions of dollars."

BOOM.

Forty eight pages. Lots of fantastic data! (The numbers in my directly quoted sections are his references.....get the original PDF). Thank you AG Peterson.

Wade Burleson said...

Anon E. Moose,

Amazing.

Thank you.

Gerald Polmateer said...

Having been in a few other countries I have found it interesting to talk with professionals in other countries. Over the years it has become quite obvious that the American market is huge due to the population and money. In Canada I could but certain medications that are not available here. When I was in Europe certain things were not available there that are here. While I was in Europe I had gotten to know a medical researcher and someone who work in what would be equivalent to our FDA. There is not agreement between countries on what should be approved and what should not be approved. When I was in Europe I saw technologies in 1986 that have not been available here. This country has gotten around some of the requirements by making a slight change to something that was being produced. When I was Finland nothing was available without a prescription. All medical research was done by the government. Not long ago a pharmacy owner told me that the pharmacies in ND must be owned by the person who works there. There is no such thing and big companies owning a pharmacy in ND. (https://ilsr.org/rule/pharmacy-ownership-laws/2832-2/) When I was a grad student my research was focused on ethics in a particular kind of business. In doing the library research I found the breakdown in ethics was when money was used as an incentive to produce more of something. Typically it was profits. Along came the quarterly report and with that came a lack of ethics. When money and ethics mix there is often a lack of ethics. That is in every profession. I have seen journal articles that are nothing more than laughable but somehow it got into a journal. It is obvious to anyone who has lived long enough that there have been some hoaxes that played themselves out and eventually the people got caught. In the interim those hoaxes played out as true. Some may remember Nebraska man as a pig's tooth. By 1988 we were suppose to run out of oil. In 1963 we were told to get ready for an ice age. Pre 1963 students were told about gun safety and then later they were told that owning a gun was bad because if you had one likely it would get used against you. When my family lived in CA we were told something quite different than when we lived in another state. In the state we moved to students brought guns on the bus and in the school building. They stored them in a locker.

There is always someone spending time trying to persuade people to their way of thinking. Every atrocity in the world has been initiated by the intelligentsia. It often started with giving people what they wanted and appealing to their greed. Obviously people are rethinking some things. One million guns were sold to new gun owners last year. Whatever is happening has been good for gun and ammunition sales.

Somebody needs to follow the trail of incentives in what is often money and favors to the watering tank of where they meet. If one simply asks the obvious about why the U.S. has been doing any business with a communist country they trust who has clearly violated all kinds of ethical standards the U.S holds. Why have we put our trust in a country at the expense of American workers and industry? The COVID mess is just an indicator or something underneath. Why was the U.S. paying China to do research when it should have been done here? Was that a simple oversight? I believe it was intentional. Where is justice rather than lies?

RB Kuter said...

Anon, that is amazing information on Merck and Ivermectin. My question is, what do you do for a living? Maybe you've written before, but I don't recall. All of this information you provide is VERY detailed and documented so it must take you a lot of time in research. Is this what you do for a living? Curious.

Rex Ray said...

CHRISTIANE,

YES, I believe Jesus is in heaven just as he was before he left even though:

“Then he said to Thomas…“Put your hand into the wound in my side…” (John 20:27 NLT)

In heaven, Jesus will have a perfect body just as John the Baptist won’t be carrying his head in a platter, and I won’t have a bad ankle and knees.

Rex Ray said...

WONDER WHY?

The bad comment:

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is still on Post 9-16-21.

Many years ago with one week to go in the semester, a college physics teacher told me why I was failing:

“All the test problems you work are correct, but you only answer half of them.”

I said, “That’s because I run out of time.”

He said, “A genius is one that thinks deep and fast, and you think deep and slow.”

On the final test, he gave me twice the time, and I got a ‘B’ in the class.

I said that to quote some Scripture: “…Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for those that love him.” (I Corinthians 2:9 KJ)

That means there won’t be any arguments about anything. OH HAPPY DAY

Gerald Polmateer said...

Rex Ray

That is funny. You should have told him that Einstein didn't get his work done in a day. You should have also said that Einstein would have never gotten through college in the U.S. Einstein was slower but thorough just like you.

Christiane said...

For them who care about the effects of the vaccine on pregnancy, here is a sad story:
https://www.npr.org/2021/10/18/1047066325/espns-allison-williams-explains-why-shes-giving-up-her-job-over-a-vaccine-mandat

I feel sympathy for this woman's situation, but I think she is choosing the best she can for herself (and a possible pregnancy) at this time, as she can see her way forward.

I hope she is able to conceive and I hope, when all the pandemic craziness is over, that she can return to her profession when she chooses to do so.

Nothing dis-honorable about trying to do the right thing according to one's own conscience. In this case, this lady has had to give up her career for a time. But it was a 'free' choice, although 'forced' on her by the mandate from her employers.

I keep remembering the Thalidomide case and how one doctor saved our country from thousands of possible birth defects. There are SOME connections when you think that tremendous pressure was put on that doctor to 'approve' the drug for nausea in pregnant women, but she refused and, a few months later, in Europe, hundreds of 'thalidomide' babies were born missing limbs, hands, feet. The doctor became a national hero in our country at the time.

Part of the pressure to vaccinate comes from the deaths of so many who are unvaccinated. Pregnancy is one specific area where it might be better to be conservative about 'effects' on a fetus.

Very sad case, this.

Gerald Polmateer said...

Two of my relatives tested positive for COVID a few days ago and they were vaccinated. Three others were not vaccinated My wife and I were around all of the people who were present at the family gathering. My wife and I had COVID last year. Another one of my relatives had red bumps under her arms and on other parts of her body after she was vaccinated. She said she would not take the vaccine.

Christiane said...

Hey REX RAY,

I also can see the Resurrection happening in the miraculous way you describe. One of the most resoundingly triumphant verses from sacred Scripture celebrates the Resurrection in these words:

"25For I know that my Redeemer liveth, and that He shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:

26And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:

27Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me."

(Job, chapter 19)

Christiane said...

Evensong

https://youtu.be/6ds03L2mues?list=RD6ds03L2mues

Rex Ray said...

World’s Oldest Cold Case (Words in [ ] by Rex Ray)
Who was responsible for Paul’s death by the Romans?
All Scripture is from the NLT

“…Ananias, the high priest, arrived with some Jewish elders and the lawyer Tertullus, to present their case against Paul to the governor.” (Acts 24:1) “The first time I was brought before the judge, no one came with me. Everyone abandoned me. May it not be counted against them.” (2 Timothy 4:16) [“May it not be counted against them” was the same prayer Paul heard Stephen pray] “Lord, don’t charge them with this sin!” And with that he died.” (Acts 7:60)

“…the Holy Spirit tells me in city after city that jail and suffering lie ahead.” (Acts 20:23) “…These believers prophesied through the Holy Spirit that Paul should not go on to Jerusalem.” (Acts 21:4) “…a man named Agabus, who had the gift of prophecy …took Paul’s belt… “The Holy Spirit declares, “So shall the owner of this belt be bound by the Jewish leaders in Jerusalem and turned over to the Gentiles.” (Acts 21:10-11)
[His prophecy was true as Paul said,] “…I was arrested in Jerusalem and turned over to the Roman government…” (Acts 28:17)

“The next day Paul went with us to meet with James, and all the elders of the Jerusalem church...You know, dear brother, [Calling Paul, “dear brother” would make him feel they were his friends.] how many thousands of Jews have also believed, and they all follow the law of Moses very seriously. [These thousands believed in Jesus PLUS the laws of Moses, but Paul preached Jesus PLUS NOTHING] But the Jewish believers here in Jerusalem [church members.] have been told you are teaching the Jews who live among the Gentiles to turn their backs on the Law of Moses. They’ve heard that you teach them not to circumcise their children or follow other Jewish customs. What should we do? They will certainly hear that you have come. [They’re telling him his life is in danger! Breaking the Law of Moses in the Old Testament was punished by death. Wouldn’t speaking against the Law of Moses be worst? If the Jewish church kills Paul, the Christian Gentiles would revolt because Paul is their hero. James has a BIG problem.] Here’s what we want you to do. We have four men here who have completed their vow. Go with them to the Temple [WHAT? That’s were the Jewish leaders are! “Five different times the Jewish leaders gave me thirty-nine lashes.” (Acts 11:24) Agabus said Paul would be bound by the Jewish leaders in Jerusalem and turned over to the Gentiles.] and join them in the purification ceremony, paying for them to have their heads ritually shaved. Then everyone will know that the rumors are all false and they yourself observe the Jewish Laws.” (Acts 21:18-24) [James ‘kills two birds with one stone’; the Jewish leaders ‘take care of Paul’, and he can tell that Paul believed in the Laws of Moses because he was taking vows when the Jewish leaders arrested him.

“The seven days were almost ended when some Jews from the province of Asia saw Paul in the Temple and roused a mob against him…” (Acts 21:27) [Paul’s purification ceremony of seven days was almost over. If the locals couldn’t recognize Paul with his head shaved, how did someone from over 6,000 miles away recognize him, and why didn’t they recognize him the first day? I believe James saw his plan was failing and had a friend tell the Jews from Asia who wouldn’t know him and trace him back to James.]

Anon.E.Moose said...

President Biden spoke at a town hall in Baltimore. “As many as 1:3 emergency responders in some cities… are refusing to comply city vaccine mandates…..should police officers, emergency responders be mandated to get vaccines and if not should they stay at home or be let go?” Biden, “Yes and yes. Our president, the unifier who is tearing this country apart.

These people that we celebrated as heroes, who went to work despite no knowledge of how to treat this virus, who went to work despite initial estimations that death rates might be 10%, many of whom went to work and got the virus…..now we force them to get the jab? If you had an allowance for disease induced immunity, *maybe* it makes sense. When you don’t…..it IS political.

If you are worried, get the vaccine. The vaccine is not 100%. You may get the virus post vaccination. If you are vaccinated, your risk of dying is far lower than it was before the vaccine (something like 4500 people have died in the US fully vaccinated). Live your life, wear your mask if you think it helps, wash your hands, stay at home if you are super worried (but don’t let ANYONE come visit).

If you are not vaccinated, take your risks. The vaccinated can carry this virus, the unvaccinated can carry this virus. The unvaccinated have a much higher risk of severe infection and death. The previously infected? Well, some studies suggest that they do very well. (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1)

How do we get this insanity to stop?

Jonathan Sarfati, Ph.D. said...

One of the Arguments we think creationists should not use is “Jesus cannot have inherited genetic material from Mary, otherwise He would have inherited original sin.” This is not stated in Scripture and even contradicts important points. The language of the NT indicates physical descent, which must be true for Jesus to have fulfilled the prophecies that He would be a descendant of Abraham, Jacob, Judah and David.

Also, the Protevangelium of Gen. 3:15, regarded as Messianic by both early Christians and the Jewish Targums, refers to ‘the seed of the woman’. This is supported by Gal. 4:4, ‘God sent forth His Son, coming (genomenon) from a woman.’

Most importantly, for Jesus to have died for our sins, Jesus, the ‘last Adam’ (1 Cor. 15:45), had to share in our humanity (Heb. 2:14), so must have been our relative via common descent from the first Adam as Luke 3:38 says. In fact, seven centuries before His Incarnation, the Prophet Isaiah spoke of Him as literally the ‘Kinsman-Redeemer’, i.e. one who is related by blood to those he redeems (Isaiah 59:20, uses the same Hebrew word goel as used to describe Boaz in relation to Naomi in Ruth 2:20, 3:1–4:17).

To answer the concern about original sin, the Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary (Luke 1:35), preventing any sin nature being transmitted. See also The Virginal Conception of Christ for a defence of this foundational doctrine and further discussion of these Biblical passages.

BTW, no medieval scholastic ever debated anything like angels dancing on pinheads. This is a 16th century caricature. Thomas Aquinas discussed whether angels could occupy the same space, but it was not a prominent debate topic.

Rex Ray said...

Jonathan Sarfati, Ph.D.,

Does Jesus have Mary’s DNA today?

Rex Ray said...

P.S.

In God’s eyes, wouldn’t Mary be just as honored to be chosen as a surrogate mother and thus be a descendant of David? ALL things are possible with God.