Tuesday, May 26, 2009

"I'm Just a Kindergarten Christian Who Doesn't Know Any Better But to Do What God Says"

Last night I experienced a measure of real revival in my life by observing a man who was converted to faith in Jesus Christ at our Paul Young Weekend last April 5-6, 2009. The man's name is Ronnie Cue. He followed Jesus in believer's baptism on Easter Sunday, April 12, 2009. Ronnie's son, Brett Cue, is a professional motocross racer. Brett, too, along with his mother Jeris, and his two sisters have also recently come to faith in Christ. Just like dad Ronnie, all the Cue family have recently professed their faith in Christ through believer's baptism. None of the Cue family, especially Ronnie, have had any religious or church experiences throughout their lives. Emmanuel is the first church they have ever attended.

Two years ago Ronnie was sued by his neighbor. Ronnie lives north of town, out in the country, and he had built a race track for his son Brett and Brett's friends to race their motorcycles in training for professional motorcycle races. Ronnie's neighbor, the one that sued him, is a world renowned sculptor and artist. According to the sculptor and his wife, the poweful motorcycles interrupted the artist's ability to concentrate during his work. Ironically, I had led the sculptor to faith in Christ in his studio just a little over a year ago, and at the time, though I did not know Ronnie Cue, the sculptor and his wife told me of the lawsuit over the racetrack. I could tell the issue was a very traumatic one for the artist and his wife - who themselves had just begun attending Emmanuel. The little country community in which both families live is tightknit, and other neighbors were choosing sides. It was just in the last two months both the defendents and the plaintiffs in this lawsuit had become members of our church.

Last Friday the lawsuit was finally heard in court. Contrary to some, I do not believe it is unlawful or unbiblical for judges to determine civil matters among Christians. There are times when judges are absolutely necessary for a variety of reasons. Regardless of whether or not you agree, the fact of the matter is this particular lawsuit had become part of these two families' lives long before any of them came to faith in Christ or involved at Emmanuel.

New Christians and the Word of God

Last Sunday morning we continued our study through I John and we came to I John 4:7-12, probably one of the greatest passages in Scripture on the love of God. The message, entitled "The Practical Implications of 'God Is Love,'" followed the text, with only a few illustrations from me that helped illuminate application that I derived from the text. I sought to show that when we love others we are giving evidence of being born of God. To be "born of God" is what the Apostle John calls ‘the new birth’ or to be ‘born again’ (John 3:3). When we love people, we are demonstrating that we have been born into God's family, that God is our Father. Clearly put, love in our hearts for our fellow man is a little like the “divine gene," for God is love. When He gives birth to His children, He gives His kids the ability to love as He, by His nature, loves us. As Henry Scougal wrote in his classic work The Life of God in the Soul of Man:

“True religion is essentially an inward, free, self-moving principle of divine life.”

This life of God, according to the Apostle John, is manifested in our love for others. Christianity is not mere formalism, nor is it simply mental assent, or even a methodical discipline in areas of morality - the essence of true Christianity is that you and I really care about the people of this world. The Apostle puts it clearly in the text: “Anyone who does not love does not know God, for God is love” (I John 4:8).

The model that John gives that illustrates God's kind of love is Jesus Himself. In I John 4:9-10 we read probably the greatest statement regarding the love of God in all of Scripture. The emphasis is on what God did for us. “In this is love” – God showed, God sent, God came, God propitiated. The Greek word hilasmos is translated propitiation. It was used by the pagans to 'appease and render favorable the gods.’ Of course, we cannot propitiate (appease) God - ever. The Creator God cannot be appeased by our gold or silver, or the works and labor of our hands, but the good news is that God loved us and did for us what we could not do for ourselves. He came to live under the righteous law, fulfilling it in every jot and tittle, possessing a perfect righteousness. Jesus Christ died under the law for us a sinnner's death, substituting His life for ours, and in this God the Father is "propitiated." God remained just while justifying the ungodly in the gift of His Son. God gave us this gift. He sent Christ for us, He delivered Christ for us, He provided Christ for us - in this love is demonstrated.

When you and I love others like God loves us, people see God. There is a verse right at the end of I John 4:7-12 that seems out of place at first glance. John says, “No one has ever seen God.” (v.12). Why does John say this? Because John is emphasizing God is invisible, but since the immortal, invisible, infinite transcendent God abides within each of us and we demonstrate God's kind of love to others, people see God in us. There is some very real truth in the song, "You're the only Jesus some will ever see."

That was last Sunday's message. It is my policy to ignore both criticism and praise when it comes to messages I preach. I consider that if I am faithful to the text, then it is not my message, but God's, and some will like it and some will not. But one thing I know is this: God's word is powerful and transforms lives.

Ronnie Cue heard it. Yesterday morning after our Men's Discipleship Ronnie wished to speak to me. He said that he wished to "lay aside the lawsuit." I was puzzled and said, "But Ronnie, you were the one sued." He said he knew that. He had also been told that the judge would most likely rule in his favor in twenty days, since the race track was on his own private property (over a half mile away from his neighbor), and personal property laws are very strong in Oklahoma on behalf of the owner. Yet, Ronnie explained, he wanted to go to his neighbor's studio and express his love for them and tell them that he wanted to do what was best for them, even if that meant removing the racetrack he has spent thousands of dollars and hundreds of man hours building - not to mention thousands of dollars defending himself in a lawsuit.

I asked him why he wished to do this. He simply said that the Word of God had convicted him last Sunday that he should lay aside his rights and do something to display his love for his neighbors, in the same manner Jesus displayed His love for him. He said that his neighbors and their lives were more important than his own, or his son's, comfort and convenience.

The Meeting Tonight

Tonight, I went with Ronnie Cue to visit with his neighbors. He is not a man of many words, but he simply and clearly told his neighbors he loved them and he was sorry his racetrack had caused them so much discomfort and pain. He said that he wanted them to know he would remove the track, look for land to build another one, and wished that they could be friends in spite of all that had occurred.

The plaintiffs in the suit had already told me their attorneys had told them that the judge would rule in Ronnie's favor. Yet here was Ronnie, offering to lay down his rights for their sake. The wife of the artist wept. The artist, a man of few words himself, expressed his gratitude and then we all gathered around for prayer. Upon leaving, among the hugs, plans were being made for the two families to get together. All this after two very difficult, painful and expensive years of a lawsuit that had left tons of hurt feelings on both sides.

My, my, my.

As I was driving Ronnie back to his house I asked him how he felt. He looked at me quietly for a moment and then said, "I feel great. You know, as I listened to all the guys discuss the Bible this morning, most everything went right over my head. Those guys have been Christians for so long and know so much. What I know is what happened tonight. This is real. I'm just a kindergarten Christian who doesn't know any better than to do what God says, and God told me through your message last Sunday that I was to do this."

It could be our Masters Degree pastors and Ph.D theologians in the Southern Baptist Convention could learn a great deal from Ronnie Que, a kindergarten Christian. What would happen if Southwestern had done something similar for Sheri Klouda? What if FBC Jacksonville were to do something similar for Tom Rich? What if the Missouri Baptists were to do something similar to Ronnie Cue?

It could be what hinders us from loving others is our own haughtiness and pride about what we know in terms of our doctrine, and a corresponding lack of listening to God speak to us through the simplicity of His commands.

"Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God and everyone that loveth is born of God and knoweth God" (I John 4:7).

In His Grace,



sameoldstruggles said...

Great post, Wade. It certainly seems that those who can still feel the freshness of God's grace are the one's who can really teach us how to live out God's Word.


Bryan Riley said...

God's Kingdom - it works. Great post. So encouraging.

missshunary said...

Can I just say that, in my opinion, this is easily the best post you have had since it's beginning.

However, as gently as I can since there are so many catholic readers / commenters now, may I please add that this man's actions and attitude are a result of his salvation. They are not how he was saved and they contributed nothing to it.

Thanks so much for the post.

Wanda said...


Great post! I'm assuming the misspelling of "kindergarten" was intentional?



Ramesh said...


This year I have been benefiting from following Pastor Wade's sermons at Emmanuel Baptist Church.

This sermon of Pastor Wade, comes from #19. The Practical Impact of "God Is Love" (I John 4:7-12), of the series I John: The Christian and Complete Joy. If you watch the video, it's titled "The Practical Impact of 'God Is Love'", May 24, 2009 - Part 19 of series (1 Jn. 4:7-12).

This whole series on 1 John has been really good. Other series that are also very good (the ones I have heard so far and still re-hearing and re-re-learning) are here.

Series on I John: The Christian and Complete Joy.

Series on The Christ We Know.

Series on The Long Reach of Your Speech

I offer this prayer of Teresa of Avila:

Christ Has No Body.

Christ has no body but yours,
No hands, no feet on earth but yours,
Yours are the eyes with which he looks
Compassion on this world,
Yours are the feet with which he walks to do good,
Yours are the hands, with which he blesses all the world.
Yours are the hands, yours are the feet,
Yours are the eyes, you are his body.
Christ has no body now but yours,
No hands, no feet on earth but yours,
Yours are the eyes with which he looks
compassion on this world.
Christ has no body now on earth but yours

Ramesh said...

Also, if you listen to the audio portion of the sermon(s) series, I believe they come from the 8am service and the video portion comes from 11am service. So there are slight differences in those sermons.

RKSOKC66 said...


This story of reconcilation up there in Garfield county is powerful testimony to the transforming power of Christ in terms of re-arranging our priorities.

One of the outworkings of Christianity is that "having it our way" and continuing to fight for "stuff" is just going to become less important to us. If Christ is working in us, we are going to to WANT to subordinate our own desires, our own rights, for the sake of others. It is actually liberating to quit all of this fighting.

I think this is a metaphor going forward for the leadership of the SBC. Too many smart guys with MDivs, PhDs, DMins, etc. angling for position and they triangulate for some "edge" over others as they elucidate why their own pet theological rendition is the right one. Too many "camps" of us vs. them. Too much guilt by association, "Well, you are one of them, so you are suspect".

Enough of, "Since the guy is saying something outside my comfort zone then not only do I disagree with him, but I assign to him some negative motive and [worse yet] I don't trust him. "

Dr. Jordan, was our interim preacher for several months after our pastor Tom Eliff retired to join the staff of the IMB. One things Dr. Jordan said several times is that his job is "like hearding cats". Everyone wants to do his own thing.

If you put four Baptists in a room you will have six opinions about an issue and ten different fights will break out.

I have my Blog ready to go. It is just sitting there in limbo right now. After the IMB trustee meeting in September I'll fire it up. It is at:



Ramesh said...

Roger said ... "One of the outworkings of Christianity is that "having it our way" and continuing to fight for "stuff" is just going to become less important to us. If Christ is working in us, we are going to to WANT to subordinate our own desires, our own rights, for the sake of others. It is actually liberating to quit all of this fighting".

I have been discovering this recently, that this transformation has to occur from within by The Holy Spirit to convict our hearts first, before the actions are evident outwardly.

This can not be forced from outside by other Christians who seek conformity or "ought to's" or a forced behavior. This is a very important point, and this explains why Christian tranformation has to occur from within and move outward. And this convicting takes place only by The Holy Spirit and not by men or women. The messengers could be men or women, but the internal conviction and tranformation is brought by Our Lord Jesus Christ.

wadeburleson.org said...


An intentional use of "kindergarden" rather than kindergarten to employ the play on words that reflect my desire we all become part of a kinder garden in the SBC.

An apple to you for noticing.


ART PIERCE said...

I am on the east cost and was able to see the sermon, good post. I learnt forty years ago about this word from a Navy sailor from Turkey. I told him that the bible had a word the Koran did not have. It was LOVE.
He looks at me and said “you are right but you Christine don’t practice it.”

Stephen said...

Wonderful!!! This is a beautiful story and one that should have us all reflecting on our walk with Christ. A few years back a local Baptist church split and some members filed a law suit to determine who had the authority to make decisions pertaining to the church. The judge issued injunctions that basically gave the court temporary control. The judged actually dictated when the church could meet to conduct business and who could or could not attend. The worst thing about the whole deal was that for a long time there was no preaching of the gospel and no evidence of the love of God. The community surely watched this unfortunate episode. If only God's people had acted like Jesus, there would have been no problems. This is a lesson for all of us.

Ramesh said...

This post of Mary Burleson is so important and seminal in my view, for this practice of shaming and performance orientation is being practiced in some of our churches. We all need to be liberated from this burden.

Reality Check Blog > Grace.

I think my first step in that direction was learning the meaning of the word shame. I read a book, Parenting Without Shame, and it socked me between the eyes. It nailed me. I realized I had shamed my kids to obedience. I could almost shame anyone into responding or acting like I wanted them to act. I was a shame tyrant. But I didn't know that. I was raised that way and I just continued the shaming style. It seemed the natural way. Realizing how not loving that was, I began the long road to change. At first it was a sense of not even knowing how to act. I was shocked at how much of my relational style was shaming.

The second step for me was understanding what respecting the other person really meant. I can remember when I really began to get a glimpse of this. Paul and I and our two daughters were riding some place together and the girls started talking about how to get their kids to respect them. We ended our discussion realizing that you don't teach respect, you respect others and in doing that they learn respect. When they're respected, they will respect others, or at least will have a fighting chance to learn and do. That discussion was the start of another long road of relational style changing. Wow! What revelations!

Now what does this have to do with grace? Everything. At least for me. I began to realize how God loves me without shame and without dis-grace. Totally accepting and without shame. May I repeat that, without shame. Unbelievable! And then on the heels of that, learning respect. God respects my person. I learn to respect myself and I then give respect to others. In this process I also learned that I cannot give to someone else what I do not have. I must love myself without shame, and respect my person before I can give love to others or respect others. I learned this by trying to stop my bad relational styles and then realizing that's the way God loves me. It has been an incredible journey!

That's grace! At least to me! Love without shame and respect for the person no matter who the person is or what that person does. Grace, the gift! And I can give that when I've received it from God to me and for me and I realize, fully realize deep within my inner person, that God has that for me, then I have it for myself. Then, I'm a giver of that gift to others. What release! What freedom! But a hard road to travel and many the potholes along the way.
Most preaching I hear is somewhat shame-based and usually performance oriented.

Jon L. Estes said...

I have been teaching my people the difference between:

good vs. bad


right vs. wrong

Your man not only did what was good but what was right. Greater freedom as a Christian was discovered by me some years ago when I learned not everything I thought was good in my decisions were right. Not all decisions are between good and bad but all decisions are between right and wrong.

Think about it, at least.

Jeff said...

Thy Peace, I have been blessed also by Wade's sermons on I John. I am thankful that Wade and Emmanuel have placed his sermons online for us. I preached three sermons a week, counsel various people, and do other pastor "things." Listening to sermons from others refreshes my soul.

Alan Paul said...

A beautiful story of what happens when we choose not to play the Holy Spirit in others' lives.

wadeburleson.org said...

The play on words is being lost on some by the number of emails receieved. I've changed it to the proper spelling so the point of the post will not be lost.

Bob Cleveland said...


Further evidence that A) God designed us and consequently knows B) what's involved in "abundant life" and C) really does want us to have one of them and D) has told us how to have it.

What a great story.

Jeff said...

Alan Paul, Thanks for your comments. I think I suffer from the God syndrome at times. I either think I am God or I want to be God. I must be reminded often---I'm not God.

Alan Paul said...

Me too Jeff.. me too. It was a paradigm shift for me when I realized that when I seek to make people align with my view of scripture, I was in essence, trying to be their Holy Spirit. God is able to change hearts... I am not. Imagine that...

Chris Johnson said...

Brother Wade,

An excellent post! And a post that reveals the greatness of God in the lives of obedient believers. One thing is certain, whether one is young or old in the faith, the power and working of the Spirit of life in Christ is never diminished.

Thank you for sharing how the seed of God works in the lives of those that confess Christ as Lord.


Joe Blackmon said...

"Contrary to some, I do not believe it is unlawful or unbiblical for judges to determine civil matters among Christians."

Now what psrt of that is supposed to shock me?

Chris Ryan said...

Faith like a child? Those are the ones to whom the Kingdom is given? I think it all now makes sense.

Christiane said...

God Morning Everyone,
It's me L's

(did I mispell 'Good'?)
No, I'm not changin it. Not today.

I am so thrilled.
Wade, your story is beautiful.

When the Christ of the Cross pierces the heart, then all animosity drains away.
What comes in its place is something so beautiful that no earthy words can speak of it completely.

Is the 'time of miracles' ended?
Look again. I think you just saw one happen in the life of this newly Baptized Child of God.

Not only that: the healing spilled over onto the 'witnesses' and 'the wife of the artist wept'.

And so may all who shelter beneath the wings of the Most High God, be renewed by the fire of Divine Love from the Holy Spirit.
It is a season for 'miracles' again. We have seen one through the eyes of faith. And, believing, we remember to give praise and thanks to the Eternal One through Christ Our Lord.
Love, L's

Ramesh said...

If you wish to waste couple of hours following the story of prior posts, head on over here. You might need to clear your head after that. I did not wish to post those links in this main post.

Alyce Faulkner said...

So encouraging and I needed that.
Praise God!

Darrell said...

Wade, great one!

Jeff said:

" I think I suffer from the God syndrome at times. I either think I am God or I want to be God. I must be reminded often---I'm not God."

Alan Paul said:

" It was a paradigm shift for me when I realized that when I seek to make people align with my view of scripture, I was in essence, trying to be their Holy Spirit. God is able to change hearts... I am not. Imagine that..."

With these three post, my day is blessed and complete.


Anna A said...


I don't know of a single Catholic who would disagree. GRIN.

We would agree that the actions are helping him in sanctification, wouldn't we?

Christiane said...

Hi Anna,

Thank you for responding to Missshunary. He comes from a place that I cannot understand, so it is hard for me to know what to say to him that would help.

I think you know the right way to speak with him, because of your background as a former member of the Protestant tradition.

I'm glad you were there for him.

Love, L's

Anna A said...


Like so many of us, I enjoy your comments, thoughts and prayers.

If you (and anyone else) could spare one, Maria my technician just lost her great uncle today. She's already beating herself up because she hasn't visited him in a week or so.


Ramesh said...

let's stop pastor darrell gilyard together > Share Your Feelings.
I am curious as to what everyone is feeling at this point. I hear so many different things in talking with people around me and I would like to know what you all think.
I know many are filled with mixed emotion, some are just angry, some are still so hurt, some are still disbelieving, some are rallying around him still, others are lost in grief.

Christiane said...


I'm sorry your technician, Maria, is suffering this grief and feeling guilt.

If she is Catholic, share this with her: that we do not enter out into the deep alone, but that Christ is in the boat with us.

Her great uncle is at peace now and beyond all earthly cares.
There is much comfort for Maria in that.

I will keep her 'tucked in my sleeve' during the vigil hours that I pray this week, that she may receive peace.

Here is a prayer that she might say for her great-uncle, if she is Catholic, or even if she is not. This prayer brings peacefulness to the one who prays it.
I hope it helps her. Love, L's


"May the angels lead you into Paradise.

May the martyrs come to greet you on the way.

May they lead you home to the holy city,

to the new and eternal Jerusalem.

May the choirs of angels come to welcome you.

May they take you to the arms of Abraham,

where Lazarus is poor no longer,

and there may you find rest, rest eternal."

Lux eterna luceat eis.
Requiescat in pace. Amen.

Alan Paul said...

Hi L's

I believe what missshunary is saying that our salvation is separate from anything good we do. We (evangelicals) view our salvation as one event - the moment that by faith, we cross over from being separated from God and destined for hell to fellowship with Christ and destined for an eternity spent with Him - and this all by faith alone.

Then our sanctification - our being made into the likeness of Christ - is another separate event that is lifelong. Our sanctification has nothing to do with our salvation other than we must first be saved before we can be sanctified.

As to why he was pointing this out? I don't know.

Hope that helps.

Christiane said...


Thank you so much. I bump around in the dark when it comes to certain 'in-crowd' evangelical phrases and I always appreciate someone shining a light for me.

In the case of MISSSIONARY, I choose to think that his comment was kindly meant, even if I didn't quite understand his words. I could sense the 'caring' behind his effort. I just didn't know how to respond in a way that would help.

I wonder, if we all understood where each other came from, would we be so 'divided'? I don't think so. I just don't think people have tried hard enough to listen and care about the other's point of view. (Myself included, for which I am in repentence.)
Thanks again, Alan, for your kindness. Love, L's

Anonymous said...


Great post. Except you keep stepping on my toes, because I find it a real challenge to express love to some who post here. So, I am not going to respond to Joe's comment in the snippy way that I would have. All I will say is that the issue of Christians suing was discussed rather thoroughly when Dr. Klouda's case was announced. I don't remember all the details, but like many things in scripture, there are valid reasons to believe that the biblical passage discouraging lawsuits against Christians not without conditions. For example, it is clear to me anyway that it is contingent on Christians judging our own issues among ourselves. The problem is that the CR leaders resist accountability and would never submit to anyone as an abitrator. A central theme of the OT is justice. God invented it and He demands it. It was clear Dr. Klouda was not going to get justice from the SBC. Joe, I think I understand your concerns about liberalism, but pause and think about whether Jesus emphasized doctrine or love. Of course we can have both, but the Bible clearly says if we don't have love we don't have anything-no matter how "correct" our doctrine may be. I would suggest that there is a real danger of being right but mean, in which case the scripture is not being obeyed. There is also the possibility that you or me or anyone else could be wrong about our interpretation of scripture on some secondary and tertiary issues. Humility would seem to demand that we tread lightly on matters about which legitimate objections can be raised to one's favorite interpretion instead of adding them as criteria for fellowship.

Alan Paul said...


Sadly I don't think we really want to understand where each other comes from. We just want to correct and control and make darn sure we're towing each other's lines. If we don't, we are "liberal" or we're "heretics" and we are pushed to the sideline and ignored once we are put in our place. And worse, when we do get caught, our "apologies" are not sincere - they simply serve as a way to preserve ourselves to fight with each other another day.

I am sure most of us will be completely embarrassed on the day we stand before our Lord. Thank God for His mercy and grace... for those who are truly part of His family that is.

Rex Ray said...

This post was very touching, but couldn’t there be a solution that both parties would be pleased?

Why not put a ‘no noise’ muffler on the motorcycles?

Rex Ray said...

You said, “…our pastor Tom Eliff retired to join the staff of the IMB.”

At one time Eliff was president of the SBC. Was that before or after he joined the IMB?

It would be interesting to know how many people of the C/R have had different jobs in the SBC. It seems these positions are passed around among a few.

When Eliff was replaced by Patterson as president of the SBC, Eliff told Patterson, “All the barnacles and parasites had been removed from the ship of Zion.”

I agree it’s a shame to bring up ‘fighting’ on such a nice post such as this, but I’d like to point out that the ‘fighting’ is more like ‘persecution’ of not being allowed to hold any positions in the SBC.

Even so, the BGCT still gives money for the love of missionaries to those that seem to ‘hate’ the BGCT for not joining the C/R, accepting ‘inerrancy’, and adopting the BFM 2000 that’s been made into a creed.

missshunary said...

Anna - I agree 100%

Sanctification indeed.

Justification - NO deed. :)

I think what Alan is trying to say is basically the same thing I said with more specifics. My comment was generally speaking.

As to why he was pointing this out? I don't know.

Hope that helps.

L's - You are right that I meant it in the most kind way.

Praying for Maria tonight

Ramesh said...

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Ramesh said...

Off Topic:

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In the New United States, life is much simpler and bank tunneling considerably more brazen

NYT > Economix > Inflation Fears.

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David Simpson said...

What a beautfiul story, and a great post.
My son graduates from kindergarten tonight, and being in the classroom yesterday makes me wish more of us could live life like those classmates- loving, trusting, saying kind things. (It was Dad's day, so I'm quite sure they're not like that all the time!)
Thanks for stories about life transformation..

Christiane said...

Wade quotes Ronnie Que's words:

"You know, as I listened to all the guys discuss the Bible this morning, most everything went right over my head. Those guys have been Christians for so long and know so much.

What I know is what happened tonight.

This is real.

I'm just a kindergarten Christian who doesn't know any better than to do what God says, and God told me through your message last Sunday that I was to do this."

What is it that Ronnie Que has been given that the people that hurt Dr. Klouda lacked?
A simple, child-like faith that trusts in the Lord's leading: a Christian humility before the Lord.

Time and time again we see 'how the mightly are fallen' and the simple children of God point us towards the Way of the Lord.

The Holy Spirit was able to work through the humility of Ronnie Que.
But not through the pride of the 'B.I. crowd'.

And so Dr. Klouda was made to suffer at the hands of the powerful, with no mercy or Christian compassion given to her.

And so, the artist and his wife were cared for as the Holy Spirit spoke to the heart of Ronnie Que, a 'Kindergarten Christian' who only understood what 'was real'.

I think about this and recall the
Word of the Lord in the Gospels:

"I give You praise, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, for although You have hidden these things from the wise and the learned You have revealed them to the childlike."

For some reason, I hope Ronnie Que can remain for a while as a "Kindergarten Christian".
I think the Church needs him so much, just the way he is right now.

He knows so much:
about 'what is real'.

Love, L's

Garen Martens said...

I've known Ronnie for a lot of years. He's always been a good guy, but this "kindergarten Christian's" insight is beyond my years of "Christian maturity".
Garen Martens

RKSOKC66 said...

Rex Ray:

I've made a number of comments
over the last two years here on Wade's blog and others regarding the CR.

I was in California from 1943 to 2004. I had nothing to do with the "fighting" involved with the CR one way or the other.

My position looking back on the CR is that I'm not going to take a position on it because:

(a) It is over,
(b) No one cares what my position is anyway,
(c) Even if I had a tightly argued position relative to the C/R it wouldn't change anyone's mind,
(d) People could always challenge my view because they could say, "Well the only reason you are taking the position you are taking is because you were [1] brainwashed and/or [2] you are so dumb you just "fell off the turnip truck". If you know about “this or that” incident then you would change your mind about the REAL purpose of the CR".

Another problem is that common words which would otherwise serve to help us to reflect upon the pros/cons of the CR -- in retrospect -- are not usable. Between the 'sides' -- words like "moderate", "conservative",
"liberal", "fundamentalist", and "inerrant" have such widely divergent meanings that no matter what I said, half the audience would not be receiving the information from me that I'm trying to impart -- independent of whether or not they agree with me one way or the other -- about the CR.

Regarding Dr. Tom Eliff: He was pastor of First Southern Baptist Church - Del City for many years. He retired in 2005 and after that he was with the IMB. Recently, I understand he has retired from his IMB position.

Dr. Eliff preached the Sunday AM sermon at our church a few weeks ago. Dr Vines is speaking at our AM worship service this Sunday. Following him in the next few weeks will be Jimmy Draper and several other former pastors of FSBCDC.

I am not a "conservative" because that word has no meaning.

I am not a "liberal" because that word has no meaning.

I am not a "fundamentalist" because that word has no meaning. However I admit that I do have the five volume set of books, published originally in
around 1915, called THE FUNDAMENTALS.

I do not hold to "inerrancy" because to some the word has something to do with the original text of the Bible while to others it describes a control mechanism used by a subset of people in the Southern Baptist Convention in the last half of the 20th century.

I hold to the "accuracy" and "correctness" of the original text. My view is very similar (many would say "identical") to the Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy except I don't use the "bad word" inerrancy.

When my wife and I moved to Oklahoma after being in Silicon Valley for 40 years we choose First Southern Del City because of its solid stand on the Biblical preaching and a record that reaches back for decades as a hothouse for evangelism. It just so happens that more than one president of the SBC has been pastor of our church over the years.

Bottom line: I'm not an apologist for the CR and I'm not defending it. I want to see the SBC move forward from here in a COOPERATIVE way. If I could turn back the clock to heal tons of wounds from the CR I would.

Roger K. Simpson
Oklahoma City OK