Saturday, August 14, 2021

The Media Blackout on Covid-19's Defeat in India

This article is authored by Justus R Hope, MD, via the

Ivermectin Wins in India

News of India's defeat of the Delta variant should be common knowledge. It is just about as obvious as the nose on one's face. It is so clear when one looks at the graphs that no one can deny it.

Yet, for some reason, we are not allowed to talk about it. Thus, for example, Wikipedia cannot mention the peer-reviewed meta-analyses by Dr. Tess Lawrie or Dr. Pierre Kory published in the American Journal of Therapeutics.

Wikipedia is not allowed to publish the recent meta-analysis on Ivermectin authored by Dr. Andrew Hill.

Furthermore, it is not allowed to say anything concerning showing the 61 studies comprising 23,000 patients which reveal up to a 96% reduction in death [prophylaxis] with Ivermectin.

One can see the bias in Wikipedia by going on the "talk" pages for each subject and reading about the fierce attempts of editors to add these facts and the stone wall refusals by the "senior" editors who have an agenda. And that agenda is not loyalty to your health.

The easy way to read the “talk” page on any Wikipedia subject is to click the top left “talk” button. Anyone can then review the editors’ discussions.

There is a blackout on any conversation about how Ivermectin beat COVID-19 in India. When I discussed the dire straits that India found itself in early this year with 414,000 cases per day, and over 4,000 deaths per day, and how that evaporated within five weeks of the addition of Ivermectin, I am often asked, "But why is there no mention of that in the news?"

Yes, exactly. Ask yourself why India’s success against the Delta variant with Ivermectin is such a closely guarded secret by the NIH and CDC. Second, ask yourself why no major media outlets reported this fact, but instead, tried to confuse you with false information by saying the deaths in India are 10 times greater than official reports.

Perhaps NPR is trying so hard because NPR is essentially a government mouthpiece. The US government is “all-in” with vaccines with the enthusiasm of a 17th century Catholic Church “all-in” with a Geocentric Model of the Universe disputing Galileo. Claiming that India’s numbers are inaccurate might distract from the overwhelming success of Ivermectin.

But in the end, the truth matters. It mattered in 1616, and it matters in 2021.

The graphs and data from the Johns Hopkins University CSSE database do not lie.

On the contrary, they provide a compelling trail of truth that no one can dispute, not even the NIH, CDC, FDA, and WHO.

Just as Galileo proved with his telescope that the earth was NOT the center of the Universe in 1616; today, the data from India shows that Ivermectin is effective, much more so than the vaccines. It not only prevents death, but it also prevents COVID infections, and it also is effective against the Delta Variant.

In 1616, you could not make up the telescopic images of Jupiter and its orbiting moons, nor could you falsify the crescent-shaped images of Venus and Mercury. These proved that the earth was NOT the center of the Universe – a truth the Catholic Church could not allow.

Likewise, the massive drop in cases and deaths in India to almost nothing after the addition of Ivermectin proved the drug's effectiveness. This is a truth that the NIH, CDC, and FDA cannot allow because it would endanger the vaccine policy.

Never mind that Ivermectin would save more lives with much less risk, much less cost, and it would end the pandemic quickly.

Let us look at the burgundy-colored graph of Uttar Pradesh. First, allow me to thank Juan Chamie, a highly-respected Cambridge-based data analyst, who created this graph from the JHU CSSE data. Uttar Pradesh is a state in India that contains 241 million people. The United States’ population is 331 million people. Therefore, Uttar Pradesh can be compared to the United States, with 2/3 of our population size.

This data shows how Ivermectin knocked their COVID-19 cases and deaths - which we know were Delta Variant - down to almost zero within weeks. A population comparable to the US went from about 35,000 cases and 350 deaths per day to nearly ZERO within weeks of adding Ivermectin to their protocol.

By comparison, the United States is the lower graph. On August 5, here in the good ol’ USA, blessed with the glorious vaccines, we have 127,108 new cases per day and 574 new deaths.

Let us look at the August 5 numbers from Uttar Pradesh with 2/3 of our population. Uttar Pradesh, using Ivermectin, had a total of 26 new cases and exactly THREE deaths. The US without Ivermectin has precisely 4889 times as many daily cases and 191 times as many deaths as Uttar Pradesh with Ivermectin.

It is not even close. Countries do orders of magnitude better WITH Ivermectin. It might be comparable to the difference in travel between using an automobile versus a horse and buggy.

Uttar Pradesh on Ivermectin: Population 240 Million [4.9% fully vaccinated]
  • COVID Daily Cases: 26
  • COVID Daily Deaths: 
The United States off Ivermectin: Population 331 Million [50.5% fully vaccinated]

  • COVID Daily Cases: 127,108
  • COVID Daily Deaths: 574

Let us look at other Ivermectin using areas of India with numbers from August 5, 2021, compiled by the JHU CSSE:

Delhi on Ivermectin: Population 31 Million [15% fully vaccinated]
  • COVID Daily Cases: 61
  • COVID Daily Deaths: 2
Uttarakhand on Ivermectin: Population 11.4 Million [15% fully vaccinated]
  • COVID Daily Cases: 24
  • COVID Daily Deaths: 0

Tamil Nadu announced they would reject Ivermectin and instead follow the dubious USA-style guidance of using Remdesivir. Knowing this, you might expect their numbers to be closer to the US, with more cases and more deaths. You would be correct. Tamil Nadu went on to lead India in COVID-19 cases.

Tamil Nadu continues to suffer for its choice to reject Ivermectin. As a result, the Delta variant continues to ravage their citizens while it was virtually wiped out in the Ivermectin-using states. Likewise, in the United States, without Ivermectin, both the vaccinated and unvaccinated continue to spread the Delta variant like wildfire.

Tamil Nadu off Ivermectin: Population 78.8 Million [6.9% fully vaccinated]
  • COVID Daily Cases: 1,997
  • COVID Daily Deaths: 33
Like the JHU CSSE data, Galileo's telescope did not lie either, and the truth can usually be found in plain sight. Ivermectin works, and it works exceedingly well. Harvard-trained virologist Dr. George Fareed and his associate, Dr. Brian Tyson of California's Imperial Valley, have saved 99.9% of their patients with a COVID Cocktail that includes Ivermectin. They have released versions of their new book published in the Desert Review that everyone should read.

I could talk about how every one of my patients who used Ivermectin recovered rapidly, about my most recent case who felt 90% better within 48 hours of adding the drug, but I won't. I could write about how Wikipedia censors more than Pravda, about how you should always read the "talk" section of EVERY Wikipedia article to go behind the scenes and understand what the editors DO NOT want you to read, but I will refrain.

I could write about VAERS and how it is so much easier to navigate by following Open VAERS or how Wikipedia has unfairly portrayed Dr. Peter McCullough, one of the world's sharpest and most credible doctors. But I will hold back.

I could recite the history of early outpatient treatment of COVID-19 with repurposed drugs, including Ivermectin, with all the specifics, and EXACTLY WHY this lifesaving information has been censored, but instead, I will leave researching these topics to each of you readers as individuals.

Because you already know what will happen if you simply sit back and swallow what the media are feeding you. You MUST question what the government tells you, and always DO YOUR OWN research.

Following the 1616 Inquisition of Galileo, the Pope banned all books and letters that argued the sun was the center of the Universe instead of the Earth.

Similarly, today, the FDA and WHO have banned any use of Ivermectin for COVID outside of a clinical trial.

YouTube and Wikipedia both consider Ivermectin for COVID as heresy.

“YouTube doesn’t allow content that spreads medical misinformation that contradicts local health authorities or the World Health Organization’s (WHO) medical information about COVID-19… Treatment misinformation: claims that Ivermectin is an effective treatment for COVID-19.”

Wikipedia defines heresy as:
“Any belief or theory that is strongly at variance with established beliefs or customs, in particular the accepted beliefs of a church or religious organization. The term is usually used in reference to violations of important religious teachings, but is also used of views strongly opposed to any generally accepted ideas. A heretic is a proponent of heresy.”
Heresy is disagreeing with the government, or their health authority, even if they are all wrong and even if their policies harm people. Today we no longer call it heresy; it is labeled as misinformation.

Galileo was found guilty of heresy and sentenced on June 22, 1633, to formal imprisonment, although this was commuted to house arrest, under which he remained for the rest of his life.


Rex Ray said...



The same stupid arrogance that condemned Galileo, is alive and well with those beating their drums trying to get everyone injected with poison.

Wade Burleson said...


I know you know and love history. I look up to you and your love for the LORD, His church, and the United States of America. my wildest dreams...did I ever see the day coming when the TRUTH is blackballed and withheld from the American people.

This is a crime against humanity.

RB Kuter said...

PRAISE GOD FOR ANSWERING OUR PRAYERS FOR INDIA! God apparently did it by finding some influential people in India's establishment that cared more about saving their population than asserting control over the population through fear and intentionally facilitating the continued spread of a pandemic disease.

The wickedness and evil nature of this marxist strategy at play on a global basis and led by the United States is unimaginable, yet too apparently true.

The US Marxist regime obviously has great influence to lead other governments down the deathly path of relying on vaccines and government instituted ineffective control measures. Israel and the province in India that followed US model are examples of those duped into leading their populations down the same deadly path.

I just posted these graphs on Face Book and they immediately put a post-note when you click on the graph saying


Yeah, right, like following US medical protocol is not the deadliest path causing the MOST serious harm.

Thank you VERY much for posting this, Wade. My wife and I have taken pre-emptive action, due much to your warnings and information sources which we consider to be provisions from our God during these treacherous days.

RB Kuter said...

At the pace things are moving, I can foresee Rex Ray and I, as old as we are, being in the generation that sees the fulfillment of The Great Tribulation instituted by the "Anti-Christ", and before the time of just two Presidential Administrations, the return of King Jesus Christ coming with the Saints in heaven to join Rex Ray and I in the air to form the Army of King Jesus that will victoriously defeat the armies of The Beast at Armageddon.

Really, we are going at lightning speed. RR and I are not intimidated because, like Wade, we are part of that small "remnant" of born again followers of Jesus Christ who will defiantly refuse to submit to that world order seeking to force us to our knees.

Our challenge is to sound the alarm and prayerfully seek to open the ears that are stopped and the eyes that are blind to the water growing hotter in the pot of tepid water where they now reside before they find themselves boiled into mindless submission to that world order. We will continue to serve as Gideon's Army during this interim period to break free those captives who still have a spark of hope and lead them into the glorious freedom of our Master's eternal Kingdom that will prevail and obtain the ultimate victory!

"Hallelujah! For the Lord our God, the Almighty, reigns!!!"

Christiane said...

Does anyone know the real name of the person who writes under the pen-name of 'Justus R. Hope, MD' ?

sometimes an author will have a pen-name and also share their own private name and title, if appropriate;
sometimes the author has need of writing under the cover of a pen-name and remaining private as a person

in any case,
without being able to learn more from media and from the person using that pen-name, it is difficult to comment on what is presented in this article Wade has shared.

Honestly, I do hope people begin to take responsibility for what is shared as 'information' to do with medical issues that are life-threatening. We can't later say, 'oh, I'm sorry I shared mis-information, I didn't know or foresee the harm it would do'

not these days, not in our country which is under crisis and where so many are going to find difficulty getting medical treatment due to packed hospital wards and ER's and ICU's (including pediatric hospitals, now).

Please be careful what 'sources' are shared. It's a life and death matter now.

Scott Shaver said...

As it should be. That's when the truth becomes obvious.

Toby Kennedy said...

Case in point: your statement about "packed" hospitals and ICUs which has been proven to be patently false...fear-mongering and lies.

RB Kuter said...

Christiane, you give a good word of warning about vetting our sources of information these days. Unfortunately, the main stream media is vicious in covering up all credible information which goes against their embedded strategy of promoting the vaccine as the exclusive means of dealing with Covid.

I take Wade's reports as being credible. I guess we have caught him posting information that is not credible sometime but can't think of such an occasion.

Just to be sure, I checked with a general search on the internet on the current status of things in India. It was difficult to find ANY contemporary report on India which is a sure-fire way of knowing that things there must be as Wade's article reports. When India was being ravaged by COVID their news and pictures of bodies were all over the front page news of all mainstream, Marxist, media.

Now that things have greatly improved, there is virtually no updates available in the mainstream sources BUT CNBC messed up and on July 23 someone leaked out information that supports Wade's report that India is totally defeating COVID.

That CNBC report showed a chart that mirrored the one Wade posted "Justus Hope" showing their COVID cases taking a nose dive from the summit in May to down to virtually nothing toward the end of July!

However, unlike Wade's post, the CNBC report and those reports quoted on their article mentioned nothing about Ivermectin being responsible for the improvement but I am not surprised. The absence of such mention on the mainstream, leftist, media is a confirmation to me that it must be a factor.

Unfortunately, the strong support that main stream media continues to garnish from those holding a similar political persuasion consistent with their leftist agenda results in it maintaining its prominence as the best source of information for the greater population. That's the way that totalitarian propaganda networks rule.

Christiane said...

Toby Kennedy, I wish to heaven that you were right.

Celeste said...

As reported to the CDC , the rates of hospitalization for children related to SARS Co-V2 is not increasing. The presented graph represents COVID cases /100,000 population does not have data from all states, but it is assumed that the rates were normalize across all the states.

The Texas Tribune recently mis-reported that 5800 children had been hospitalized with COVID -- oopsy, that was actually the number of children hospitalized with COVID since the start of the pandemic. The number of deaths for children 0-17 with COVID 19 for the entire pandemic is still less than 400 for the US or 0.4% of the total deaths in the US from COVID . (58% of the deaths are age 75 and above; 78% of the deaths age 65 and above).

There was a recent NBC report in the DFW area "RSV and COVID-19 Infections Flood Children's Hospitals - A spike in RSV infections during a new COVID-19 case surge is flooding area children's hospital emergency departments and ICU's." The implication is that there is a surge of COVID cases in children. "The situation in area children's hospitals is becoming worse as more children become diagnosed with not only COVID-19 but RSV. Later in the article they report that 154 children are on ventilators, "but no all are dealing with COVID-19…..Cook Children's reports 190 cases RSV last week, while hovering around 200 a week for the past 3 weeks. As of August 2, 16 children were hospitalized with COVID-19." So, is it a COVID surge in children or a RSV surge…..seems more like a RSV surge to me.

This surge of RSV is off season . For the week of July 20,2021 there were 2,000 confirmed cases of RSV, compared to less than a dozen cases for the week of July 25, 2020. In general, the peak of RSV is in the fall. This surge in RSV was predicated by some pediatricians. Children develop immunity through exposure. Most children have RSV in the first 2 years of life. Now, because children have been kept apart, there is a whole cohort of children seeing it for the first time and succumbing. There is also concern that this year's influenza season will be worse since there was not much influenza last year. Anecdotally, I know of two people that have had both COVID and influenza at the same time. The influenza cases were this month.

Celeste said...

Remdesivir is the backbone of treatment for severely ill COVID patients in the US (treatment guidelines last updated 7/8/2021). Approval of remdesivir was based on a study done in China of 287 patients with 158 treated with remdesivr and 79 randomised to placebo. "Although not statistically significant, patients receiving remdesivir had a numerically faster time to clinical improvement than those receiving placebo among patients with symptom duration of 10 days or less (hazard ratio 1·52 [0·95-2·43]). Adverse events were reported in 102 (66%) of 155 remdesivir recipients versus 50 (64%) of 78 placebo recipients. Remdesivir was stopped early because of adverse events in 18 (12%) patients versus four (5%) patients who stopped placebo early. "

The trial was underpowered. Initial statistics had suggested that they needed 325 patients, but it was stopped early because of "control of the outbreak in Wuhan." There was no difference in mortality between the 2 arms. The basis for the use is that there was a numerically faster time to clinical improvement in an under powered study. Viral load decreased similarly in both groups (wouldn't you expect the anti-viral arm to have less????).

Interestingly, there was a paper published in the New England Journal of Medicine in February 2021 (published by the WHO) that suggests, "These remdesivir, hydroxychloroquine, lopinavir, and interferon regimens had little or no effect on hospitalized patients with Covid-19, as indicated by overall mortality, initiation of ventilation, and duration of hospital stay."

The WHO, an entity that has about as much trustworthiness as the CDC, publishes a "living guide" with the most recent one found here. For the WHO, there is a "conditional recommendation against remdesivir" based on that November 2020 NEJM article. This summer, there have been several additional studies suggesting that remdesivir has no benefit in the sickest patients. There was a single country add on to the WHO trial from Norway that showed no benefit. In addition, a study of 2344 US veterans hospitalized with COVID-19 showed no survival benefit (also not seen for the original study…..), but a signficant increase in the median time to discharge.

If you look through the WHO living guide, they provide information from the studies that they used to recommend ivermectin only in the "setting of a clinical trial." However, the real time data of India seems persuasive and the data for ivermectin, although often times flawed, seems better than that for remdesivir. The flimsy data for remdesivir that is beginning to fall apart, with no change from the CDC recommendations gives me HUGE pause. We are charged not to provide misinformation , but what if the data used to justify recommendations for drug use from our institutions like the CDC and FDA is based on a faulty foundation?

Christiane said...

maybe it's time to ask the people who KNOW from working in the ER's and the ICU's who put in long hours and double shifts;
ask THEM what they are seeing and how they are enduring it

when a patient is in ICU and on a respirator and a relative asks the nurse 'you're not going to give her any of that vaccine, are you?';

the nurse replies sadly, 'no, we are way past that now, but once it might have helped her'

I only wonder how much longer the medical people on the front lines can hold up for the sake of the sick and the dying. God have mercy.

Bene said...


Either Dr. Jeffrey W. Grolig's identiy has been hijacked or he is Dr. Justus Robert Hope.

Here is what JustUs R. Hope says about himself:


"I am Dr. Justus R. Hope.

It does not take a rocket scientist to ascertain my real name and my credentials. Go to my detailed bio displayed in my last three books and you can easily deduce my identity based on this transparent information:
Honors Graduate and Lilly Scholar of Wabash College, Graduate of Baylor College of Medicine, Licensed California Physician, former Assistant Clinical Professor of Medicine at University of California Davis Medical Center, and location Redding, California. I am a man of science and integrity."

A quick search confirms that Grolig meets all the criteria above. He is an alum of Wabash, Baylor, his license with California is valid and he practices Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation in Redding. He is 66 years old and his secondary line of practice is pain management. His record with the College is clean. I couldn't find him as a past prof at UC, or 1989 Lily Scholar but I didn't dig deep on those.
He is a member of the FLCCC Alliance.

Justus R. Hope has written a couple of books, The Coffee Cure Diet: live Longer and Look Younger. Surviving Cancer, Covid-19 and Disease: The Repurposed Drug Revolution and his latest, Ivermectin for the World.

The FLCCC isn't anti vax, anti mask or against social distancing but they don't take kindly to their review and meta-analysis being criticized. They aren't keen on RCT (random controlled trials). The FLCCC leaders say they don't have any financial interest in Ivermectin companies. They also say they are frustrated with their work being picked up by the pollical right because this isn't political and never should be.

Some of Justus R. Hopes claims in the article Wade posted are suspect - ie: India.
Covid is on the rise again in India (easy to find out). For multiple reasons it died down and is resurfacing etc., as well as there is no black out on India's use of Ivermectin.
Not going there, there is no point.

Thing is, no matter who Justus R. Hope is or what he believes he is probably sincere in his beliefs, has figured out how to profit from them and like many on whatever the latest bandwagon has gone to far to hop off. Meantime, Covid-19 continues to be an unfolding world wide pandemic, and front line workers need our prayers.

Christiane said...

"Thing is, no matter who Justus R. Hope is or what he believes he is probably sincere in his beliefs, has figured out how to profit from them and like many on whatever the latest bandwagon has gone to far to hop off. Meantime, Covid-19 continues to be an unfolding world wide pandemic, and front line workers need our prayers."

Thanks, Bene, for responding.

I think you may be right about this: "and like many on whatever the latest bandwagon has gone to far to hop off" but you would think with the death counts and the changing worsening of ease of contagion and the rise in younger patients, that people might reconsider their stances.

And yes, "front line workers need our prayers."
My sister-in-law was a nurse-practitioner who caught covid and nearly died. She will likely be on oxygen for the rest of her life.

Hard to see all this suffering when you know that it doesn't have to be this way.

RB Kuter said...

A concern I have is that it is so difficult to confirm this report with other sources. Seems this report was in "Desert News" exclusively and I'm not real confident in that source.

At the same time, I certainly do not trust source in the mainstream media. Tough days for sincere decision makers.

Celeste said...

Ask people who work in the hospitals? You get anecdotal and spot information.

Remember how so many communities put up temporary hospitals that almost universally didn't get used last year? Even in NY, the navy ship that was sent to help them went largely unused. The only place I remember using temporary care structures was El Paso.

I live in a rural community in Texas. The numbers are getting tight right now. At the height of COVID (December through February 2021) the ICU was literally 130% full. Beds in recovery for the OR were converted into ICU beds. Those beds were closed down in February. We had gotten down to zero to abou 25% COVID cases in the ICU and are now up to 70% COVID in the ICU (the non-expanded version). Despite the fact that there was a "breather", the hospital remained full with a bunch of other really sick people. Our hospital administrator said that post COVID surge last winter, everyone expected the acuity of patients to drop, but the acuity of patients went up (this is a number somehow generated by coding of admitting diagnosis). The theory was that so many patients had spent so much time avoiding going to doctors, etc that when the finally surfaced, they were much sicker.

The world infometers site is a favorite of mine. If you look at the data from India, they have come down off of their second surge in SARS-CoV2, but they have a new baseline of about 45,000 cases/day which is about twice what their previous baseline was. I do not see a trend towards a 3rd wave, the new baseline just seems to be higher than the previous. India has 309 deaths/million population. The US has 1900 deaths/million population. Despite the "superior" medical system of the US, we still have far more deaths than India (normalized to per million population), although that may be a reflection of the insane amount of testing that we have done.

Celeste said...

I am being too verbose and having to split posts:

A new favorite site of mine is covidestim* COVID-19 nowcasting. Wish I could embed images. When you first go to the site, there is a map of the US that shows estimated infections/100K/day. Right now the SE US is pretty much yellow blue to white/light blue meaning there are 300-1,000 infections/100K/day. There are tabs below that image (on mine, I have looked at individual counties so have some little graphs before I get to the tabs), where you can change the map to look at raw infections. That is less revealing because my community which is moderately surging looks black (low raw infections) because we are rural and have, by definition, few infections in general because of low population density. The next tab is effective reproduction number. It is interesting: on this rendition, white to black is good and peach to rust is bad. Florida, except for southern Florida, is turning white. Alabama is turning white. Louisiana, Arkansas and Missouri are pretty much white to black. Much of the rest of the US is peach to rust. What is the Rt (effective reproduction number?) This is a calculation that describes the average number of people that one individual is expected to infect. When Rt is greater than one, the number of infections are expected to rise in the near future. When less than one, the numbers are expected to decrease in the near future.

The map provides all data by county. You can click on individual counties to get data. My rural county has now dropped to a Rt less than 0.8. This gives me hope that in the next week or so, we will start seeing a contraction in cases. Our nearest neighboring counties are still in the rust area, but have Rt curves that are plateauing or decreasing so hopefully… will start unwrapping. Below the large map, graphs of individual states are provided. Louisiana as a whole has a Rt=0.91, Florida= 0.99 (but moving down), Missouri 0.89 (dropping), Texas 1.16 (dropping), Oklahoma 0.92. Interestingly, even the northern states, although all in the red (expected continued increase in cases) seem to have curves that have plateaued and are dropping for this value. Indiana is on the rise (but the curve looks like it is about to plateau), Iowa, Maine , Michigan, Minnesota, Ohio, South Dakota, Washington and Wyoming are rising.

There is concern that schools opening might cause a slight blip, although previous data had shown that in person versus virtual learning had no difference in the incidence of COVID in teachers.

The last interesting data set on the site is "percent ever infected." My rural community, which was hard hit last winter, is now up to nearly 60%. There is a theory that India did so well because they have a baseline seroprevelance of greater than 60% (and perhaps, it wasn't in the ivermectin). The interesting thing about this map is that the south US seems to have a higher number of percent ever infected compared to the northern US. Herd immunity wins again?

Celeste said...

RB Kutler, I share your frustration. That is why I think it is important to look at the primary data when it is available, but even that is occasionally suspect. There has been recent reporting of FL numbers being horrible, when the CDC messed up and somehow added 13,000 cases in one day. Oopsy..... No harm in that, right? Except it adds to their narrative that Florida is a mess, but if you look at the data I referenced above, they are about to turn the corner with some other states about to be looking worse.

Back to the CDC -- when they said that everyone needs to mask, again -- where is the data? When they finally revealed the data, three or fout days later, the people that actually read it were left with, "certainly there is more" but the propaganda machine (the media) had already done it's work. The media is quick to publish but slow to retract. Sometimes, they seem to find it worth their while not to retract or question.....and so here we are.

Unknown said...

Thanks for the update.people of God are confused not knowing what to do.Where, how, when can I get the Ivermectin?

Christiane said...

Bridging the 'disconnect',
an 'anecdotal' report from the front lines:

Wade Burleson said...


Seek out a doctor who will prescribe it. The number of doctors informed and prescribing is definitely growing.

Christiane said...

Hello WADE,

It seems that many more people are leaving the Church these days because it has lost its witness to Christ.

I read something about young people leaving, not because they had lost THEIR faith in Our Lord, but because they felt that the Church had walked away from Him. It's an article by a Baptist named Russell Moore and I wonder if you might have read it? It references the harmful effects of the culture wars and of politics on the witness of the Church. This:

Scott Shaver said...

Russell Moore is full of predictions which seem always to fall a little flat. Victim of his own cloak and dagger modus operandai.๐Ÿ˜Ž

Celeste said...

Anecdotally, I can tell you my rural hospital is currently filled. Not every bed is full, but the hospital has been unable to staff to 100% since COVID (which is a complex situation, with jobs lost to shutting down elective procedures last year followed by an over-whelming situation for a few months. The state sent support, but that hampered hiring efforts further and so....staffing has never recovered.). A friend's relative recently went to a free-standing ER and could not be admitted to a hospital because none in the area were taking transfers (the dangers of those free-standing ER's during times of full hospitals). However, looking at the covid e-stim site, the effective reproductive number is dropping and I anticipate that in 1-2 weeks the hospital situation will be improving for our area.

More children are being hospitalized. But, as referenced in my previous post, most of the vast majority of the children are being hospitalized with RSV, a disease that normally occurs in the fall but we are surging now because children were finally allowed to come together and they are all getting sick at the same time. A child from my community was sent to a tertiary hospital with intractable fevers and diagnosed with 3 concurrent viral syndromes (and SARS CoV2 was NOT one of them). The physician taking care of this child said that this is the downside of keeping children apart. The child did not have the opportunity to see these viruses sequentially and got them all at once.

In my office, there have been 3 COVID breakthrough infections (two were in previously vaccinated, one was in previously infected). Two were COVID concurrent with influenza (and influenza season hasn't been declared, yet).

This week, there were many reports of IQ dropping (everywhere, in every age). There were reports of people that have had COVID having brain fog (and drop in IQ). There were reports of children being born during the COVID pandemic having a 10 point drop in IQ. Eight five percent of brain development happens prior to age 3. Perhaps, keeping babies "safe" from a disease that is highly unlikely to hurt them isn't to their overall emotional and intellectual benefit. Based on the rash of RSV, it may not be to their health benefit, either. I think children that have not received effective education for 18 months are likely to have lifelong consequences of that deficit.

When I hear declarations from our public health officials, I hear no indication of an understanding of the potential downsides to the interventions. We live our lives in an imperfect world. Life is about risk mitigation (risk versus benefit). All of us will die, but in our deaths, we are saved through our faith in Christ. I do my best to live my life wisely. When this pandemic started, I knew that I might die, and I have made peace with that. Through Christ, I am saved, and the rest is about trying to do His work while I am alive on this earth and to hopefully gain wisdom and understanding during that process.

RB Kuter said...

Celeste, thank you for introducing me to "world informeters" site.

It shows that "total cases" continue to escalate in India but "new cases" seems to be the graph used in the report provided in Wade's post with the bottom dropping out since about May.

That seems to be contradictory to me. How can "total cases" escalate while "new cases" drop down drastically?

Thank you for all of the explanations you provide.

Paul D said...

@unknown @8/15/21 8/11am.
there are some very easy, cheap ways to get ivermectin. You might do some googling on that. It does require taking your health into your own hands and doing some math, which can never be safely recommended, but it does seem to work.


Paul D said...

I will provide a completely anecdotal and fictional story.
One guy dragged on sick for many week - not seriously ill, but ill nonetheless.
Near the end of this time, 2 of his children came home from church camp in south central Oklahoma sick. Pretty soon mom was sick too. Ivermectin reduced the length of illness/symptoms to less than a week for mom and 2 kids vs. 4-6 weeks for the one guy.


RB Kuter said...
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RB Kuter said...

Just watched President's Afghanistan News Conference. Was impressed. No, really. I agreed with his assessment of the situation and the decision to pull out now. No reason to stay. It is not in our strategic interest to be there, having our American troops serve as duck targets for militants on the mountains shooting down at their patrols and blowing them up with roadside bombs. As he explained, the Afghan government and military were no closer to facilitating a government and society free of the Taliban than they have ever been.

Plus, why would terrorists be interested in basing their attacks on the US from Afghanistan when they can simply stroll across the southern border of the US and function within the country?

I just wish there were more decisions seemingly based upon intelligent thinking made.

Scott Shaver said...

"Intelligent thinking" is an oxymoron when it comes to Joe Biden.

Pulling out of Afghanistan is probably the right thing to do, but Sleepy Joe must have eaten and ice cream cone and fallen under a sugar induced coma while his own generals were explaining HOW to withdraw strategically with minimal loss of life, allies, and international credibility.

Sure this debacle will give pause to many should we once again need fighting allies in Muslim countries.

RB Kuter said...

Scott, I do agree with you. After thinking about it, we probably could have left a small contingent presence there that would have warded off the Taliban's takeover. There were not that many troops left but apparently enough to gain more time without casualties.

It's all a mess and tragic.

Scott Shaver said...

RB, we've been in the process of drawing down and getting out for years. Biden is sole OWNER of totally botching the last stage by not even listening to actual seasoned warriors.

Cheap shot to blame the Afghans for not fighting after losing 50,000 since 2001.

Be impressed all you want. I am disgusted.

Scott Shaver said...

We had them drawn down to 2500 when Biden took office. Trump had already set up the logistics along with his generals, RB.

For Pete's sake, instead of broadcasting exact dates for a speedy retreat and withdrawal we should have been airlifting under fighter escort our Afghan allies, interpreters and especially ARMS, EQUIPMENT and U.S. miltary assets OUT FIRST before ever offering any kind of date.

And I'm not now nor ever have been a soldier.

Scott Shaver said...

RB: We let the window for successful intervention and honorable withdrawal close sometime shortly after Bin Laden was killed.

As I understand, required reading for military officers is the history of Afghanistan as the "graveyard of empires".

Milley should resign IMO.

Scott Shaver said...

Let's see now how quickly Xi moves to reunify Taiwan with China.

Joe is no problem.

Scott Shaver said...

Younger patients may be getting sick due to isolation, masking, and lack of both environmental and social exposure. No chickennpox parties etc.๐Ÿ˜Ž

Scott Shaver said...

You are exactly right about "anecdotal and spot information"..even up to dept heads, DPTs and contract physicians.

As if right hand knows not what left is doing.

Scott Shaver said...

Especially, it would appear in terms of logistics, brick and mortar, equipment.

Scott Shaver said...

That's as effective as the reduction of common cold symptoms by Zycam for me. Pretty impressive anecdote๐Ÿ‘

Rex Ray said...

Dad’s World War II Stories
by twins Hez & Rex Ray Our Dad, Dave Ray, was in World War I. He wanted to be a Chaplin in World War II, but was told he was too old. He went to Washington and appealed to the main recruiter. Again, he was turned down. He lived near Sam Rayburn (Speaker of the House) in Bonham, Texas, and they were friends. He asked Rayburn to help him. “Go back tomorrow, and if he doesn’t let you in, we’ll give him the axe.” He served in Patton’s 4th Armored Division.
Hundreds of years ago, bushes called Hedgerows were grown instead of fences. In the battle of Hedgerows, Germans had cut holes in bushes to see through. Americans used bayonets to cut a hole; the bushes moved. Germans killed many Americans by shooting moving bushes.
Dad and his assistant, Jack, went back to the motor pool and got hundreds of hacksaw blades that cut bushes without them moving.
Germans knew the road Americans would travel. From many miles away, they fired their shells that exploded on impact on a sharp curve where the convoy had to drive slowly. Their plan worked until Dad didn’t drive on the curve, but drove across a field marked with mine-warnings.
Jack yelled, “You’re going to get us killed.” Dad yelled back, “Germans may have put the signs up.” After they made it, the convoy followed them while shells kept falling on an empty corner.
Once, Jack wanted to skip breakfast and sleep in his foxhole, but Dad made him get up and eat. A few minutes later, a German shell blew Jack’s Bible to pieces. It was under his pillow.
Medics told Dad they could not prevent a soldier from dying. He told Dad, “Yesterday, I thought I’d be killed. I asked Jesus to save me. He stepped into my heart. I was so happy I thought I’d live forever; don’t know why I was hit today, but tell my mother I’ll meet her in heaven.”
His mother knew her son wasn’t a Christian, and was heartbroken when informed he was killed in action. A letter from Dad arrived later. She wrote Dad, “You’ll never know how much your letter meant to us!”
Dad left the front to attend a mandatory meeting of all Chaplains. A Catholic General, “X” ordered all Chaplains to stay 50 miles behind the front. Dad got in his jeep and started to leave, and “X” shouted, “Where are you going!” “Back to the front; I take my orders from God; not you!”
Catholic soldiers began to ask why their Chaplains were not on the front, which made “X” angry. He promoted Dad from Captain to Major, but Dad turned it down because Chaplain Majors were not allowed on the front. Later, Dad received orders from General Patton ordering him to the rear, but Patton’s secretary said Patton’s name was a forgery.
After the war, the 4th was stationed at Rothenburg, Germany. He and others made friends by playing soccer with children. One girl, Monika Beyer, about five, troubled Dad: “When is my daddy coming home?”
Her father, John Beyer, was the town’s best doctor. In 1942, he was in the German army. He was at the battle in Stalingrad which started the end for Hitler. Germans had 85% casualties of a million men. 90,000 were captured, and because of food shortage and harsh treatment only 5,000 survived. The chance of Monika’s father being alive wasn’t good.
He always answered Monika question: “Your daddy is coming home soon. You’ll see him in the big meadow by the oak tree that has a rope swing. He’ll be calling your name.” Her face would light up and she kept telling her family Chaplain Ray’s good news. It wasn’t long until Monika’s mother, Helen Beyer, spoke to him. “I’ve accepted my husband’s death. All my children with the exception of Monika have also. I must ask you, Chaplain, never again say her father is coming home. You’re going to break my little girl’s heart!”

Rex Ray said...

Dad told her about his brother being reported killed in World War I. Their mother had eight young children when her husband died and she remained a widow 38 years. She believed God would save her son. After the war, he was in the barn’s hay loft and saw a man walking on the road to their house. His brother was coming home. The army lost track of him when he was hospitalized from Mustard gas.
With tears down her face, Helen asked, “Oh Chaplain Ray, what am I to do? I’ve never heard a single word from my husband in three years. If he were alive, he’d move heaven and earth to find us. I remain here, alone, and without hope.”
“If he’s alive, I’ll find your husband.” She began to cry again.
“I don’t think I can do this. The children will be torn apart, our hopes dashed once more.” Catching her hands, he prayed.
“But where will you go? If my husband can’t find us, and he knows where to look, how can you possibly find him?
“I’ll search the four sectors of prisoners that Allies have in Berlin.” “Before you go, I want you to have a picture of my husband and a lock of Monika’s hair. He said he would carry other lock always. If you find a man that claims to be my husband, ask him for Monika’s hair. The children and I will pray for you every day.”

Rex Ray said...

It was 340 miles to Berlin. His jeep had a new motor because a German 88 shell had missed his head a foot and blown the engine to pieces. He searched the Russian, French, British, and American prison camps with millions of POWs in large open fields with barbwire without success. The American camp was last. As he was driving away disappointed, he heard a GI yell, “Wait!”
He asked if he wanted a ride. “No Sir, but I know something. I overheard your story to the captain. I have a friend in the British Sector that knows about a German surgeon that’s extremely talented. He doesn’t know his name but the British kidnapped him from the Russians to save a British soldier near death. Since then, they’ve kept him hidden.”
Returning to the British prison camp with renewed hope, he told the guard he had orders to find Dr. John Beyer. He retraced his steps with an interpreter, but no luck. “What’s that small building way over there?”
“That’s a destroyed jail. It’s deserted and is going to be torn down.”
“Let’s take a look anyway.” One undamaged cell had four men on their knees. They looked like they were gambling, but they were praying. None looked like the picture, but the interpreter hoped they might know something. “The American Chaplain is looking for Dr. John Beyer. He has good news. Do you know where he can be found?”
Slowly, a man stood and spoke in perfect English. “I’m John Beyer. My family and village are lost. I’ve been a prisoner three years. What possible good news could an American have for me?”
“You look too old for me to believe you unless you can match this lock of hair.” Producing a lock of hair, he grabbed Dad through the bars. “Does my family live?”

Christiane said...

REX RAY, more about Monika's father, please . . .

Christiane said...

REX RAY, I typed that request BEFORE you printed 'part 3'

One of your BEST stories, ever! Thank you so much. :)

I hope the ankle is better.

Rex Ray said...

Loud praises to God drowned his reply because his smile was their answer. Hearing there were God’s orders to take him home, there were more praises.
The British Commander said Dr. Beyer was needed and denied his release, but they’d talk more after lunch. “You go ahead, I’m going to stay here and pray.” “If that’s the way you feel, you can take him home.”
Our father was a fast driver and had many wrecks. He slowed down when Dr. Beyer said, “I don’t think God saved me from prison to die in a jeep wreck.”
At Rothenburg, they stopped at the meadow. “Your daughter comes here ever afternoon to see if this will be the day her daddy comes home,”
Not trusting himself to speak, Dr. Beyer shook hands and turned toward the meadow where a little girl was swinging. He ran towards the big oak. “Monika! Monika! I’m your daddy!” There was fantastic joy when he arrived home with Monika on his shoulders.
German prisoners were not allowed to return home, but were used as forced labor to repair war damage in Russia, France, and England. Two years after the war, one million had died, and four million were still prisoners. But at Rothenberg, the town had a large celebration for their doctor where Monika’s mother said, “I’m going to kiss the Chaplain”, and her husband said, “If you don’t, I am!”

Rex Ray said...

Later “X” transferred Dad to France and tried to have him court-martial. When that failed, “X” told him he’d stay there until he agreed to take a colored-discharge without honor. For 13 months, we asked Mother when is our Daddy coming home.
Philip Damon, a friend of Dad, wrote a letter, pleading to General Eisenhower to investigate why Chaplain Ray was being detained in France. Eisenhower’s letter said, “I’ve received a report from the overseas commander concerning Chaplain David Ray. You’ll be pleased to know Chaplain Ray has returned to the U.S.” (Eisenhower’s letter is now in the Bonham, Texas Museum.)
Dad’s discharge of July 24,1946: “David Ray is one of nine Chaplains in the U.S. Army who was awarded a Cluster to the Bronze Star Medal for Heroic Action.”
Our parents went to Germany to teach Army kids. We met Monika and her parents and wondered why they were so glad to see Dad because we didn’t know the story until 12 years later.
My twin brother, Hez, was Athletic Director of Fairbanks, Alaska. He was in process of moving an abandoned World War II airplane hangar 150 miles to Fairbanks for kids to play during the winter. Indians had used it many years and were resentful for it being taken. They began stealing. Hez got Dad to be a night watchman. On the last day of moving, they saw their many bedrolls on fire that Indians had poured gasoline on. When they got there, bullets started exploding that Indians had put on. They dove behind a low wall where Dad started laughing. “Why are you laughing?”
“This is just like World War II.” Then Dad told Hez the story of Monica.
Dad wanted to be a chaplain in Vietnam. He believed in starting at the top. He took a bus to a hotel near President LBJ’s ranch, and started asking how he could see the President. After three days, the Secret Service told him, “Listen old man, go home or we’re putting you in jail.”
Dad and Hez are in heaven now.

Christiane said...

The final ending is better than I imagined. :)

This story could be made into a movie, or at least a part of a series. People today need stories like this. There is too much of ill-will out there and in the old days of our country, kindness was shown to children, even to the children of former enemies. God Bless your father's kindness to that child!

'Kindness' for me is the mark of a Christian in THIS world, yes, where people stop and help those who suffer in the ways that is possible for them to do it. I think it was Providence that helped your good father meet the little Monica and inspired him to tell her 'the story' that then became reality for her and her father, the doctor.

'Goodest' story ever, this! :)

Christiane said...

Reality versus politics:
placing the safety of school children first: how one man gets into 'good trouble' for the sake of the children's health

When I worked, 'safety' came before instruction. The safety of our school children was always the highest priority. That was some time ago. I'm glad there are still people out there in the educational systems that care enough about the safety of the children in their care to go the extra mile and challenge what seems to be a political posturing on the part of a state governor.
Good to know people like this are still around. 'Children first' is always the best rule in situations where 'priorities' may get 'confused'.

Celeste said...

RB, the total cases on the infometers site is cumulative -- slowly but inexorably increasing in the good times, rapidly increasing in the bad. The graph shown in the article was daily cases that will show you the waves.

Also, if you go to the page that I call the landing page for worldinfometers carona viruses ( and scroll down to the graph, you can sort based on high to low number by hitting the headers of the individual columns in the graphs. It is initially sorted by total cases (US wins despite not having the largest population), but if you hit the header of the 11th column (including the numbering column), you will find the US is actually 14th on the hit parade of cases/million with a bunch of smaller countries ahead of us, and 21st on deaths/million although that positioning on the hit parade certainly feels "meh" at best. I always like comparisons of normalized numbers, i.e. cases or deaths per million. Raw numbers mean nothing when comparing a very populace country like India to a less populace country like Sweden.

Scott Shaver said...

Christianne. Anything coming out of Austin TX is suspect.

RB Kuter said...

August 17, 2021 report:
"City officials last week said 40 percent of illegal aliens being released had tested positive for COVID-19, Laredo Mayor Pete Saenz told the Washington Examiner." and

"The mayor of McAllen, Texas, Javier Villalobos,said 15 percent of the 1800 illegal immigrants apprehended per day have COVID-19"

Right, and I am expected to believe ANYTHING this Administration and its crony CDC/epidemiologists and propaganda media puts out there about COVID or anything else.

RB Kuter said...

Scott, I agree that measures and a creative strategy could have been used to maintain a sense of security in Afghanistan.

Biden continually cited the lack of motivation of the Afghan military to fight and the government to serve and entirely abandoned their posts when the US abandoned theirs.

Apparently, the Afghan military DID remain at their posts as long as a token-presence of the US military remained and US air and logistical support were present. Granted, Biden said we were paying their military salary and that was no doubt a factor involved in their scattering, but I would rather use some of the trillions being wasted here under the guise of "infrastructure" and paying people not to work to contribute to Afghan military keeping out the Taliban.

It will be a matter of US national security as proven by former experiences.

So you have convinced me, Scott, that there is not even this "one" decision by the current Regime that I can agree with.

Dave said...


Milley should resign IMO.
Let's see now how quickly Xi moves to reunify Taiwan with China.
Joe is no problem.


What a disgusting spectacle to behold, particularly for the families whom lost sons or daughters there, and anyone appalled by the tyrannical subjugation of women.

The immense scale of military incompetence and humanitarian mission failure shared by the the 'face' of the DoD and the Commander in Chief, can only be understood through the distorted lens of an institutionalized leftist bias.

Ideologically clouded judgment is what could justify Gen. Milley's assessment that our nation's PRIMARY threat exists within our own borders, and that LGBTQ diversity and CRT constitute the military's highest priority.

It would seem shamefully apparent, that vital military intelligence resources were dubiously redirected ...allowing our nation's REAL enemy, to capture large amounts of advanced military weaponry, while subjecting countless civilian afghan lives to the fate of 'collateral damage.'

In retrospect, Gen. Milley's remarks concerning CRT, seemed oddly prophetic ...when he expressed this desire; "I want to understand white rage".

Embarrassing how so many administration officials, chose to flee from public view
to deflect and evade accountability.

Man, you KNOW the optics of this debacle are unbelievably bad, when even loyal lap-dog journalistic sources like CNN and MSNBC are openly critical of the administration!

Scott Shaver said...

Austin is the San Francisco of Texas.

Scott Shaver said...

Yeppers. This is gonna leave a mark for a long time.

Scott Shaver said...

His (Biden) track record deserves nothing less than brutal analytic scorn.

Scott Shaver said...


We have hundreds of undocumented children with Covid coming across down here looking for safety.

Your place or town available to take some in?

Jonathan Sarfati, Ph.D. said...

I critiqued McCullough on request in another blog item.

I am not as sanguine about IVM, and neither are some Indian health professionals. I didn't understand why a roundworm-killer like IVM or a (malarial-parasite–killer like HCQ) should be a miracle cure for a virus. But it's notable that both WHO and India are fine with the cheap steroid dexamethasone, because this has a properly conducted clinical trial showing large benefits for Rona patients needing supplemental oxygen. So there is no conspiracy to hide effectiveness of cheap drugs if there is reliable supporting data.

Jonathan Sarfati, Ph.D. said...

“17th century Catholic Church “all-in” with a Geocentric Model of the Universe disputing Galileo”. Actually, the best science of the day was all-in with geocentrism. Only about 10 other astronomers between Copernicus and Galileo supported the Copernican model.

“Just as Galileo proved with his telescope that the earth was NOT the center of the Universe in 1616”. He did no such thing. Most scientists knew it, the Church knew it, and Galileo knew it. Galileo's best ‘proof’ was a nonsensical claim about the tides, but he couuldn't explain why the tidal cycle was about twice per day instead of once. He had no time for the claim that the moon had anything to do with tides, considering this an ‘occult’ (meaning hidden, in this case action-at-a-distance) force.

“In 1616, you could not make up the telescopic images of Jupiter and its orbiting moons, nor could you falsify the crescent-shaped images of Venus and Mercury. These proved that the earth was NOT the center of the Universe—a truth the Catholic Church could not allow.”

This did not disprove that the earth was at the center. They certainly disproved the Ptolemaic geocentric paradigm. But it was consistent with the Tychonian geo-heliocentric model. This had the sun, moon, and stars orbiting the earth at the center of the universe, but the planets orbiting the sun, and the Galilean moons orbiting Jupiter.

Galileo's model also kept the circles of Greek cosmology; he ignored his contemporary Kepler who proposed elliptical orbits with the at a focus. That is, it was really not heliocentric but heliofocal. Kepler's model was FAR more accurate than any previous model.

A decade after Galileo died, the Jesuit astronomer Giovanni Battista Riccioli wrote Almagestum Novum. He discussed 126 arguments of variable quality about Earth’s motion—49 for and 77 against. Most of these arguments were scientific, and Riccioli thought that the weight of the science favoured a fixed earth. So he defended the Tychonian geo-heliocentrism model as the one that best fit the science of his day.

One argument that was then very powerful was that the Copernican model implied that the apparent size of the stars and the enormous distances implied by lack of detectable parallax meant that they must be unimaginably large. The Copernicans had no good answer except, in effect, “God made them that way.” Only much later was it shown that the apparent star size is a diffraction illusion, and they are only point light sources when viewed from Earth. The then lack of detectable parallax and Coriolis effect were also strong arguments against a moving earth. Now that both have been detected, they are strong arguments FOR a moving earth.

It was only after Newton showed that Kepler's laws followed from Newton's own laws of gravitation and motion that the absolute geocentric model was finally abandoned. The Newtonian model had everything revolving about the centre of mass or barycentre, so it is a barycentric rather than heliocentric model. But because the sun has 99.86% of the mass of the solar system, treating the sun as centre is an excellent approximation. Newton for the first time provided a dynamic model that could make predictions about unknown objects. That is how Neptune could be discovered from perturbations in Uranus' orbit.

Jonathan Sarfati, Ph.D. said...

Some suggested further reading:

* Setting Aside All Authority: Giovanni Battista Riccioli and the Science against Copernicus in the Age of Galileo by Christopher M. Graney

* Great Myths 6: Copernicus' Deathbed Publication/ by Australian atheistic history writer Tim O'Neill

* The Genesis of Science: How the Christian Middle Ages Launched the Scientific Revolution by James Hannam

* Why the Universe does not revolve around the Earth: Refuting absolute geocentrism by Robert Carter and Jonathan Sarfati (see also our podcast on the subject)

Celeste said...

The use of ivermectin is not quite as off the wall as it appears at first blush. Early on, there was a huge effort to see if drugs could be "repurposed.". They took the sequence of the COVID proteins, folded them using AI and then try to fit other molecules to them.

Ivermectin was already known to potentially inhibit other viral replicative processes, outlined in the introduction of this paper . Therefore, ivermectin was tested in an in vitro assay and found to have significant activity against SARS Co-V2. The criticism of this in vitro study was that the concentrations of IVM used were much higher than you would obtain in vivo. More recently there was a paper suggesting that SARS CoV2 bound to the ACE receptor allows IVM interactin to bind.

Scott Shaver said...

Biden wants to be "clear" about masks and safety. Hard to listen when you can't give him any more credibility than Mr Ed the talking horse๐Ÿ˜Ž

Scott Shaver said...

We are recommending a local doctor here in The Woodlands who prescribes Ivermectin. My wife and daughter both took it while they had Covid and never had serious lung, oxygen or breathing issues.

RB Kuter said...

Scott, what dosage amount?

RB Kuter said...

I have a bad cough but no other symptoms. Had a COVID test yesterday just in case but it takes 2-4 days to hear results.

Do you know if Ivermectin is also good for chest colds/cough that might not be associated with COVID?

Scott Shaver said...

Not sure Rex. But will check with my wife for the prescription and details.

RB Kuter said...

Scott, this is RB Kuter asking these questions. I should know results of test tomorrow, hopefully. Pretty sure this is just a chest cold but not so sure after today. Seems to be regressing a bit. Your insight will be helpful.

Scott Shaver said...

RB. The doctor put my wife on Ivermectin (an antiviral as I understand) an antibiotic (not sure which) and Tylenol for spiking fever. Will get the info.

Christiane said...

If anyone has trouble breathing, with shortness of breath (you will know it if it begins),
best to go to the ER at first opportunity

once breathing becomes difficult, oxygen may be needed - the ER can determine the need upon examination

Prayers being said for all concerned. Kyrie eleison, Christe eleison

"I will lead the blind by a way they did not know;
I will guide them on unfamiliar paths.
I will turn darkness into light before them
and rough places into level ground.
These things I will do for them,

(Isaiah 42:16)

Rex Ray said...


Where did you hear it takes 2-4 days to get results of a COVID test?

This month, a hospital put something up my nose. Said they had to know which section of the hospital to put me in. (Covid or not Covid) They knew within a few minutes.

Christiane said...

Tonight there was a report that 70% of poison control calls in the state of Mississippi were related to people who took Ivermectin that they purchased through veterinary sources (the formula for horses). It seems that Fox News promoted the use of ivermectin without warning folks not to use the stuff made for horses, hence the surge in poisoning victims in the state of Mississippi. The channel I was watching was not Fox News, and there it was suggested that people follow the advice of their doctors (physicians), and not self-medicate without knowing what dosage and what formula they are taking. (Bad on Fox News for not making this clear to people.)

Soooooo, out of a thought to prevent anyone here from getting the WRONG kind of ivermectin (the horse de-wormer), please don't use veterinary ivermectin yourselves, if you are going to take it.

I hope this helps someone. Enough already that people should suffer without knowing what is going on in Mississippi, so I hope this spares someone from worse trouble.

May God have mercy on us all.

Jonathan Sarfati, Ph.D. said...

Similarly, don't use a teaspoon of aquarium cleaner stirred into your drink to get hydroxychloroquine. My back-of-an-envelope calculations indicate that this is about 10 times the maximum safe dose.

Scott Shaver said...


The farmers co-op or the veterinary supply store in New Caney are my go-to sources for the horse linament and Rex Rub I've been using for years instead of products like Australian Dream or Blu Emu. Tjey work better and are far less expensive.

Don't knock the vet until you've tried it.

Scott Shaver said...

Not even Dr Safati will keep my from using my horse linament.๐Ÿ˜œ๐Ÿ˜‚

ChrisK said...

I'm vaccinated for smallpox, polio, pneumonia, shingles, flu almost 30 years (without getting the flu since), and COVID-19 (Pfizer, 07Apr2021 second dose). I would prefer more people COVID-vaccinated, masked, and distancing, and nobody self-prescribing and taking Ivermectin intended for or at the dosages appropriate to animals. But I also have a friend for whom the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are contraindicated because of an ingredient in another received medicine during a knee replacement, which produced a bad allergic reaction. The friend as an alternative has been taking Ivermectin for preventative purposes for about six months now, in addition to being pandemic-cautionary in life activities. This led me to looks at the subject, back before Ivermectin ever made the news (too much news, in my opinion) with all the resultant hoopla, and I may have spent 25-30 hours on the Internet.

Basically, I'll initially point out that there are now four parts so far to Dr. Hope's pen-name, India-blackout articles. If one skims those four parts, plus goes to Worldometer and scrutinizes the India graphs, it turns out that the Indian Council of Medical Research (ICMR) and the All India Institute of Medical Science (AIIMS), both in New Delhi, added Ivermectin to their protocols on 20Apr2021. As of then, India had a fully vaccinated rate of only 1.3%. Even as of six days ago, 26Aug2021, that vaccination rate was only 10.0%. On 20Apri2021, COVID-19, which presumably would be the Delta variant, since it's India and that's where the Delta variant originated, was in the process of climbing towards a spike. 294290 daily new cases of 20Apr2021, spiking at 414433 on 06May2021 sixteen days after protocol commencement, and then plummeting and registering 44558 on 26Aug2021. 2155109 active cases on 20Apr2021, spiking at 3745064 on 09May2021 nineteen days after protocol commencement, and then plummeting and registering 351464 on 26Aug2021. 2070 new daily deaths on 20Apr2021, spiking at 5015 on 23May2021, thirty-three days after protocol commencement, and then plummeting and registering 493 on 26Aug2021.

Granted, there have been slight upward ticks in those three statistics recently. HOWEVER, more than 68% of India's new cases on 26Aug2021 were in the state of Kerala, which only has about 2.6% of India's population, AND...the kicker...Kerala is the main place in India where Ivermectin has NOT been vigorously pursued.

One can also go to and scroll down to Table 1 with what, last time I looked about in the previous hour, were 14 studies of Ivermectin use as preventative (prophylaxis). Check especially the Chahla study from Argentina, which was a randomized control trial (RCT). Click and you get the opportunity to open a pdf. The first Behera study (India) was peer-reviewed but not an RCT, but looked at health care workers in India. Again, there's a link to the text. The Tanioka study links to a pdf. It's an ecological study focusing on numerous countries in Africa, some of which have river blindness, a parasitic disease (what Ivermectin up to now has been mainly FOR), and some of which don't have river blindness. So what Ivermectin was given out was actually for a parasitic-fighting purposes, but then the attendant side issue was how the the Africans who received Ivermectin fared comparatively (88% fewer deaths).

Besides the FLCCC Alliance website, a look at the BIRD (British Ivermectin Recommendation Development) Group website may be of interest. Dr. Tess Lawrie is the key figure there, and you can probably find some YouTubes or other videos interviewing her.

Also, read whatever you can find that offers and contends anything scientifically anti-Ivermectin.

But generally, I think the badmouthing of Ivermectin is getting out of hand on what's not really a clear scientific picture. It may be good for treatment, and it may not. It may be good for prevention (even more so perhaps than for treatment), and it may not. Whatever is the case, this should not be another left-right political divide.