Thursday, June 21, 2018

The Power of Christ to Turn a Demon into a Petros

Roberto, 31, gave his life to Jesus Christ after the Refuge service at Emmanuel Enid this past Sunday.

Roberto gave me permission to share his story.

Last Sunday was Father's Day, and Roberto was at Emmanuel for only the second time. He came with his girlfriend and their infant daughter.

Roberto listened to Emmanuel's missionary to Africa, Yacouba Seydou, speak about "the Father's love." It was after the service that Roberto sought me ought and said, "That (the message) hit me hard." He asked if he could talk to me. I sat down beside this man I'd met only an hour earlier as he entered the building.

On the front row, with tears streaming down his face, after being assured that God's love extended to even him, this massive man bowed his head and asked for the Father's love to enter his life. Roberto prayed, receiving Jesus Christ as his Savior and Lord.

Roberto came by my office yesterday to visit with me about some nightmares he's been having since Sunday. He told me his full story and asks that you pray for him.

Roberto never knew love as a child. "The only comfort I ever received was through my grandma. But she died when I was eleven."

It seems Roberto's parents were in the habit of tying Roberto to a chair with a belt and beating him with a hockey stick. "I know when I was nine, ten, and eleven, I did some things that made my parents mad. But the beatings I took were awful."

Roberto was born and grew up in South Central Los Angeles.

To find acceptance and a sense of belonging to a family, at the age of 11, Roberto began hanging around older boys who were part of a gang called Florencia 13 (F13). The number 13 represents the 13th letter of the alphabet (M) which stands for Mexican Mafia.

Florencia is the most dangerous gang in Los Angeles.

At the age of 12,  Roberto "jumped in" (gang slang for "joined") Florencia 13 by enduring 30 seconds of a massive beating by fellow gang members.

Usually, a person is given gang nickname when joining Florencia 13 (e.g. "Whiskey," "Trinny," BullsEye," etc.), nicknames that memorialize something about the gang member.

Roberto was too young to have done anything notorious, so F13 didn't bestow a nickname at the time of Roberto's initiation.

But two weeks later that changed.

Roberto was involved in a fight. "I don't remember much about it, but when it was over, I was on top of my victim, and when the gang members pulled me off I was covered in blood." Roberto said his fellow gang members said, "Dude, you went crazy. Your eyes turned red. Nothing could stop you."

They gave him the name "Demon."

He was 12 years old.

During the decade from 2000 to 2010, F13 was at war with the East Coast Crips. "It was all about drugs. South Central Los Angeles was a war zone."

At the age of sixteen, Roberto got his girlfriend pregnant. She and the baby both died during delivery. "The deaths of my child and my girlfriend shook me. I understood death from gang wars, but why would a baby and a first-time mother die?"

Roberto told me that a local Baptist church would often send "street evangelists" down to Florence Avenue to preach. "I would sometimes hear them say 'God loves you. God loves everyone.' After the death of my girlfriend and baby, I thought I needed to find out about this God who loves."

Roberto went to the local Baptist Church in South Central Los Angeles that next Sunday.

"When I went up the steps to enter the building, one of the street preachers, I think they called him a 'deacon,' stepped up to me and said, 'Where do you think you're going?'

"I'm coming to church."

"The deacon told me, 'We don't want your kind here.' I couldn't believe it. They'd been preaching on Florence that 'God loves everyone,' but they didn't want this one."

Roberto told me he didn't have clothes to dress up for the church, and looking back, he probably looked like a gang member, and the deacon was only trying to 'protect' the church. Bur Roberto was searching for God, and having been turned away by the people he thought could tell him about God, he determined to plunge even deeper into lawlessness.

Roberto told me that a few months later he met the street preacher on Florence Avenue, and this time he put a gun to his head and told him had had to the count of three to leave the neighborhood or "I'll put a bullet in your head."

When Roberto was a senior in high school (2005), devil worshippers who dressed in hoodies and all black told Roberto he was "a vessel" and that their lord had Roberto forever. "I'll never forget the strange coldness I felt and the voices in my head every time the Satanists came around me. They would always call me by my nickname "Demon" and told me I was "a vessel."

Roberto climbed the ranks of F13. The United States federal government stepped in and through a series of raids to clean up South Central Los Angeles, Roberto and several other F13 leaders were arrested and charged under the federal RICO crime act. Roberto went to prison for several years.

"When I got out, I knew I had to leave Los Angeles, or I'd soon be dead."

He came to Enid, Oklahoma because of a job opportunity at a food manufacturing plant. He met his girlfriend in Enid, and just a few weeks ago they had their child.

"For the first time since I was sixteen, I thought I'd try to go to a church. I'm a new father, and we couldn't think of a better time than Father's Day."

Indeed. At Emmanuel Enid this Father's Day, Roberto came to know Christ as his eternal Father.

Roberto told me that since giving his life to Christ, he's had terrible nightmares. He dreams of his friends who were killed in the streets of Los Angeles, three of whom died in his arms. He has nightmares of the occultists telling him "You're a vessel." He wakes up during the night thinking about all the people he's harmed.

The nightmares are vivid and real.

As he shared with me some of the details of his dreams, he wept.

I went to him in my office and hugged him. I prayed for him and with him. I told him that "Christ who is in you, is greater than he who is in the world." I shared with him that Jesus has made him a promise that "the work I've begun in you, I will continue to completion."

Roberto will be baptized soon. Emmanuel Enid has purchased a Bible for Roberto as well as a Bible for his girlfriend. We're engraving their names on the covers of the Bibles.

A few years ago Emmanuel Enid changed our focus.

The changes that have occurred have been tough for some. Traditions ended. How we did worship changed. The church began looking different.

But it was intentional.

We decided to focus more on a culture in need of a personal Savior instead of church members in need of pleasurable satisfaction. We determined to reach sinners in need of Christ more than saints in need of comfort. We decided to become missional.

Emmanuel Enid has created a worship service that is non-traditional. We call it our Refuge worship service and we make it different in two distinct ways:
1. Members dress down, the lights are left down, and the preacher doesn't talk down. 
2. The music sounds secular, the message stays simple, and the members show sensitivity to sinners who have no religious background
In other words, there's no judgment for people who show up without a clue about Christianity.

We've seen prostitutes come to know the love of Christ. We've seen meth addicts turn their lives around and become greeters at the Refuge service. We've seen men who dress up as women and women who dress up as men. We're sharing the love of Christ with them for we believe that only "the love of Christ constrains us." You don't change to get God's love, but you will change when you experience God's love.

Emmanuel Enid even welcome gang members instead of telling them "You're not welcome."

This Sunday, we'll be presenting to Roberto his first Bible.  We're also giving him a new nickname.  No longer will Roberto be known as "Demon."

Roberto's new nickname is "Petros." Petros is the Greek word for Rock.
"Upon this Rock, I will build my Church and the gates of Hell shall not prevail."

Welcome to the family, Petros.

(Note: Pastor Wade has intentionally changed Roberto’s real name to protect his identity). 


Christiane said...

"After the death of my girlfriend and baby, I thought I needed to find out about this God who loves."

and THEN . . .

"He came to Enid, Oklahoma because of a job opportunity at a food manufacturing plant."


Wade, my first thought is 'Providence'. I have no doubt about this. God is merciful.

Wade Burleson said...

Amen, Christiane.

Rileydogbarks said...

Amen! God speed Roberto!

Chad Whitley said...

What an amazing story. The love and mercy of Jesus never cease to astound me. I am thankful for his working in my life, and in the life of my new spiritual brother. Welcome to the family, brother Petros!!

Paul Burleson said...

WHEW! I'll write something in a moment. Right now my eyes are hindered from seeing. Allergies maybe!

God bless you Petros! [Wade. tell him your dad loves him too.]

Mbill0327 said...

Hello Wade

Sadly most churches miss the mark. My Denom (SBC) speaks often of evangelism, but in 57 yrs I can distinctly remember someone wanting to share the Gospel w me in 1983 and never again if i am right.

IMO, pastors are ill equipped w the Gospel message except for a few. I have been actively involved in ministry since I became a believer due to NAMB/HMB in 1983.

Church people are not evangelizing and sadly moat churches would not know how to disciple them anyways.

May God instill in us all the need and desire to share His Word


Bob Cleveland said...

I have found, many years ago, that the devil is most upset with us when we are about to become more dangerous to him.

Bad dreams? Doubts? Questions? Those are good, good signs!

Like the enemy's general. The general sees, on our side, soldiers asleep in the barracks. Leave them alone. He sees well trained & armed soldiers itching for a fight. Maybe a little subversive activity, but no direct attack on them. Satan might lose that...

But then there are the guys who woke up in the barracks and are on their way to training. THEM he tries to stop before they get more dangerous, get armed and learn how and where to fight.

Trust me ... God has something really special in mind for Roberto.

Sallie Borrink said...


I totally agree. I think that is something those who have walked with Christ for a longer time need to impress on new believers - to expect the enemy to actively come against you when you move closer to Christ and are more determined to walk with Him. It's easy to think that there is something wrong with YOU when it happens and you aren't familiar with it. It's just the opposite. It's a sign you are moving in the right direction and someone isn't happy about it.


Rex Ray said...


I can hardly wait to give this to our SS classes. I think what started Roberto on the right path was realizing he would die if he stayed where he was. Glory to God!

Victorious said...

Right now my eyes are hindered from seeing. Allergies maybe!

Mine too, Paul. Mine too.

Prayers for you, Roberto! Know this for certain...God loves you more than you can imagine.

Anonymous said...

It's too bad he showed up at your church Wade. How can God bless his decision to follow Jesus when your position on women violates the 2000 BF&M? Before you know it, you will be serving him the Lord's Supper before you baptize him. You probably didn't even make him read and sign the BF&M 2000 before you let him join your church. And did you make sure he votes Republican when you welcomed into your church? What would Vice President Pence say about that? For the sake of the lost, you have got to get it together Wade.

Mike Ellis said...


Wow, What an amazing story of God's grace and power to change lives! I plan to share Roberto's story with our Church family on Sunday night. We gather on Sunday night to pray for God to work in us and through us to reach people all around us. Roberto's story will remind us to be loving and open to any and all the Lord brings our way. We will also be challenged to share the love of God with any and all we encounter throughout the week.

Let Roberto know that God is using his story to impact the lives of others.

You only gave his last name initial in the opening of the story, later you gave his full name. For safety concerns you may want to edit the story accordingly.

Thanks again for sharing this powerful story with us!

Doug Martin said...

Cloudburst at the eye-level alert! PTL!!

Rex Ray said...


I too wondered about the wisdom of giving Roberto’s last name. In my 13 trips to Japan in working for the SBC to build houses and churches there was always a young Christian Mexican boy to help.

The missionary that was in charge of building had almost adopted him as he had fled from a California gang because he was on a ‘hit list’.

As the years went by because of his knowledge he was put in charge of American volunteers that came.

I only knew him by the name of Abraham. When anyone took pictures he ALWAYS hid his face. The last I heard he had married his California sweetheart and moved to OKLAHOMA.

Strange huh?

Gary said...


I almost made it to 9:30 this morning before I cried. But they were tears of joy.

Thanks to you and Emmanuel for offering a non-traditional service, and offering Christ's unconditional love to those who come.


Debbie Kaufman said...

I love this and absolutely adore us turning missional. It has been absolutely amazing the response. The ministries we support and those that have begun are large in number. We minister to the lost. We invite in the lost and those who do not think they belong in church. We open the doors to them. It 's something I have always wanted to be part of but never thought would happen with any church let alone in my lifetime.

God is good. I have witnessed so many things that I have desired to happen in the Christian community for 40 plus years and not only am I seeing it, I get to be part of it.

Anonymous said...

Yay, God!!! Will be praying for Petros ...

Anonymous said...

It's not only reformed gangsters that need God's love and any church's's most all of us.

Anonymous said...


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Christiane said...

Hello Debbie

you wrote,
"I love this and absolutely adore us turning missional. It has been absolutely amazing the response. The ministries we support and those that have begun are large in number. We minister to the lost. We invite in the lost and those who do not think they belong in church. We open the doors to them. It 's something I have always wanted to be part of but never thought would happen with any church let alone in my lifetime.

God is good. I have witnessed so many things that I have desired to happen in the Christian community for 40 plus years and not only am I seeing it, I get to be part of it."

Debbie, you are giving a REAL witness to Christ in describing how the faith is lived out. It's not about 'words', a witness is a living act of love for Christ, and that is what is happening in Enid and I am not surprised that you are a part of it. Before there could be a 'refuge', someone had to care, and people had to come together and make a commitment to care for wounded people who were in difficulties and struggling . . . the very people Our Lord came to save. Thank you for your comment/witness. The Church as 'sanctuary' in the world for those who need sheltering and caring for . . . that is indeed 'witness' as real and powerful as it gets. When the wounded are being cared for, you can SEE the action of the Holy Spirit in the hearts of the faithful who are then enabled 'to renew the face of the Earth'.
It's really happening? The most powerful force in all Creation is God's loving-kindness (the fruit of the Holy Spirit). Of course it's happening. Sounds to me that people like Roberto can come to the Refuge and experience 'that God is in this place and I did not know it'. I'm glad the people of Emmanuel will be a friend to Roberto who has found a 'family' he did not know before. :)

Christiane said...

Hello Anonymous who wrote "It's not only reformed gangsters that need God's love and any church's's most all of us."

THIS, yes!

(in my Church we would say it is ALL of us,
because but for the daily presence of the grace of God in our lives, we would be as needy)

Rex Ray said...

“(Note: Pastor Wade has intentionally changed Roberto’s real name to protect his identity).”

Good for you Wade.

I’ve wondered if Roberto and Abraham were in the same gang or not. (friends or foes) Abraham never talked of being in a gang; the missionary told us. Strange they both went to Oklahoma.

I wonder if a “hit list” ever goes away; (Hatfields and McCoys)

While a missionary in Israel, my son told me a man killed another with a knife. His reason: “His grandfather killed my grandfather.”

Anonymous said...

Excellent post!

Methods vary when it comes to being missional. My former church (we recently relocated)and new church have made different decisions when it comes to the "how church is done" part. It isn't that we want to hold onto the old ways and make them some sort of idols. It IS that we want to communicate the "with God life" will mean a radical break with the old lifestyles we confront in our communities on a daily basis.

There are, for example, some churches in our town(s) successfully using the same style country music popular in the local bars. Church folks dress like those frequenting the bars, talk like them, and are reaching some of the bar people.

Others from the bar scene see no difference other than a different building and scorn the churches for it. So some of us deliberately offer them the opportunity for a distinctive and radical lifestyle change. So our music isn't belt buckle polishing, while we don't dress up we do dress modestly, and our language is much cleaner (hopefully!). And that reaches another group.


Rex Ray said...


I think I’m taking your words the wrong way (“It isn't that we want to hold onto the old ways and make them some sort of idols.”) but if that means singing old songs, then I’ll disagree.

At present most of our songs are NEW songs on a screen written by our song leader that repeat, repeat…(you know how that goes). He doesn’t know most mouths are shut because his eyes are closed. We’re friends but I asked him “How can you sing “Open my eyes Lord” when yours are shut? Most of the time when we sing an old song, it will have a different tune or other words mixed in. The speaker amplifiers are loud enough the person next to you can’t be heard.

Once a fuse failed in the morning service. Lights went out, screen went dark, amplifiers silent, but the leader’s voice could be heard easily because no one else was singing.

Anonymous said...

Rex--the part about holding on to old songs and making them some sort of idols is what my churches, both that I referenced, are often accused of doing. As in "you just won't sing the new music because of your personal preferences being more important than winning the lost."

We disagree with that, and with the whole idea we need the whole ccm industry if we are to win the lost. Rankest sinner in our parts on a bad trip or bad drunk knows amazing grace, shall we gather at the river, when the roll is called up yonder, most fannie crosby and some p p bliss.

When we sing those songs deep memories are touched and folks respond.

Missional, yes. But not in the way most use the word today.


Rex Ray said...


I’ll add my favorite, “At Calvary”, and my wife’s “In the Garden”. And for ‘joy’; “I’ll Fly Away”.

Wallace H. Rowland Jr. said...

In 1994, late in the evening, a friend of mine brought D. to my house. Due to a drug deal gone badly in Oklahoma, D. was running for his life. He was a 40 year old man who had spent time in prison for assault and drugs. I asked D. if he was willing to sweat. He said he was. I made some phone calls to find him a job. I gave him some money to catch a cab to get there, and a place to sleep in our garage apartment.

After I got home from work the next evening I met D. in the front yard. He was snapping his fingers and singing a rap song he had just made up. He was singing about Jesus. D. was utterly transformed!

Stunned, I asked, “What happened to you?” D. said, “Very soon, after you left the apartment, I knew that with the money you gave me, I could find some drugs easily in this neighborhood” (Jesus had given Alexis and me a house in the ‘hood’). “I tried to get out of the side door to the street, but, it would not open. Then, I tried to get out the other door that you had just went out of. I could not open THAT door. Then, I thought that you must be holding the door from the outside. So, I called your name . . . and SOMEBODY answered . . . and it wasn’t you! The Voice said that I didn’t need that (drugs) anymore! So, I laid down and went to sleep. Today, I am Free! I am FREE! I want to sing about my Jesus who set me free!”

Not only was D. free of alcohol and drugs, but we found out later, also healed from hepatitis B and C.

Now, I have considerable confidence when I say that humanly speaking, D. was not much of a lyricist and his lack of vocal skill was easily discerned. However, he did have adequate volume, endurance, and certainly passion. He was singing to the ONE who had just met him. In that regard, it may have been one of the finest Jesus’ songs I have ever heard!

Jesus writes some really good tunes!



Anonymous said...

Praise God for delivering Petros from certain death to safety and life everlasting!

Refuge offers a challenge -- a wonderful challenge -- to gospel-centered churches. Reach out to the community, specifically to the undesirables that might "dirty" the church, and invite them in.

I pray more pastors will follow suit. The community that Refuge targets is growing.

Grace and Peace,


Christiane said...

Please also pray for the children being shipped all over the country by plane and bus, still. Senators, Representatives, and even the Red Cross are being denied information and access to visit these children, some of whom are babies as young as nine months old. It is said that the 'contract workers' who take the children on buses and planes do not speak Spanish, so the children are not only sobbing for their mothers, they are frightened and do not know what is happening.

Please pray for these little ones. They are not the terrorists that usually get treated this way in America. They are just children who are suffering NOW.

And please call your political representatives, if you want to help these babies. The talk is that they 'are going to be reunited with their families' but why then are babies still being taken and sent all over the country even as far a two-thousand miles away from their mothers?

Please help. Please do what you can, if you care. I am heart-broken as are many who have lived in this country for years and who have NEVER seen anything like this take place. This is NOT who 'we' are. If it's what 'we' have become, then God have mercy on those children, because we are become inhuman/inhumane, and NOT 'stronger'. 'Strong' nations don't beat up on little children.

Christiane said...

When the Red Cross isn't trusted to help, you have to ask 'why?'

Follow Follow @RedCross
We share everyone's concern about the border situation and stand ready to help. We have offered assistance to federal gov't authorities, but without permission, we can't access facilities. "

Anonymous said...

I might add I am now part of a denom that has always targeted the down and out, the lost, those in the worst lifestyles, as our target demographic. From 1907 on there has been deliberate teaching that the buildings should not be upper middle class or fancy, since the poorest might not feel welcome. Historically modesty (both in coverage and cost)of clothing has been taught.

It is an historic holiness church, believing God not only saves souls for eternity but will cleanse the heart in the here and now.

So of course that theology means high expectations both on those in the church reaching out for the lost and from the lost should they seek Jesus.


Sallie Borrink said...

Can we please leave politics out of the comments here?

I'm sure that all of us have strong opinions about everything going on and I've bit my tongue several times in the past week or so over political comments made here. But is there nowhere we can go to escape it? Not even a blog about theology and history?

I'm not intending to attack anyone with this. I'm just so weary of politics being EVERYWHERE and I know I am not alone in this. I completely quit Facebook several weeks ago in part to get away from all the politics. Now it's even here every time I come to this website. It makes me sad.

Anonymous said...

Sarah Borrink...

I so agree with you.

It is so terribly difficult to meld this world, and its complexities, with the commands of our Lord and of the next World.

I struggle along with you.

Rex Ray said...


You might have missed this comment since you didn’t reply to it so, I’ll write it again because people are complaining about ‘politics’ on Wade’s blog.

Rex Ray said...CHRISTIANE,
I got this from Google. I believe it’s like Mark Twain said, “Those who don’t read newspapers are not informed and those that do are misinformed.”

“The widely shared photo of the little girl crying as a U.S. Border Patrol agent patted down her mother became a symbol of the families pulled apart by the Trump administration’s “zero tolerance” policy at the border, even landing on the new cover of Time magazine.

But the girl’s father told The Washington Post on Thursday night that his child and her mother were not separated, and a U.S. Customs and Border Protection spokesman confirmed that the family was not separated while in the agency’s custody. In an interview with CBS News, Border Patrol agent Carlos Ruiz, who was among the first to encounter the mother and her daughter at the border in Texas, said the image had been used to symbolize a policy but “that was not the case in this picture.”

“Ruiz, who was not available for an interview Friday, said agents asked the mother, Sandra Sanchez, to put down her daughter, nearly 2-year-old Yanela, so they could search her. Agents patted down the mother for less than two minutes, and she immediately picked up her daughter, who then stopped crying.” Fri Jun 22, 07:55:00 PM 2018

So much news is ‘fake news’ against Trump. Time Magazine said they knew when they put the picture of the little Girl and Trump saying “Welcome to America” on their cover that the story was not true, but it was too ‘good’ to pass up. If some of this ‘fake news’ got sued for slander, there might be less of it. Sat Jun 23, 09:27:00 AM 2018

Anonymous said...

Christiane comments on imonk blog daily with her political views. I agree completely about not bringing in politics. The post was not a political post but one of inspiration and the ability of Christ to reach anyone.

Christiane said...

I appreciate the comments that are concerned about 'politics' and I am not deaf to the needs of people not to be confronted with what is happening with the separation of families, as it is almost too much, even for those of us who see it in its human terms, rather than political terms.

Yes, it is too much. I'm sorry.

But if you all will please pray for the little ones who are innocent and who need their mothers and fathers? Only good can come from your prayers and I trust you all to care and respond in the way that only good people with good hearts can and will do.

As for me, I am encouraged daily by what Wade and Emmanuel's 'Refuge' are accomplishing and yes, that should be the narrowed focus here. . . . but don't forget 'the other refugees' who need your help as some of them are too young to ask, so I ask for their sake.

I am trusting that there WILL come God's justice for all who are suffering now under persecution. Please remember those smallest of refugees in prayer, as Our Lord as an infant was once a refugee in Egypt.

a poem by Malcolm Guite:

"We think of Him as safe beneath the steeple,
Or cosy in a crib beside the font,
But He is with a million displaced people
On the long road of weariness and want.

For even as we sing our final carol
His family is up and on that road,
Fleeing the wrath of someone else’s quarrel,
Glancing behind and shouldering their load.

Whilst Herod rages still from his dark tower
Christ clings to Mary, fingers tightly curled,
The lambs are slaughtered by the men of power,
And death squads spread their curse across the world.

But every Herod dies, and comes alone
To stand before the Lamb upon the throne."

As for 'Anonymous' and 'Stbndct' who comments on Imonk, if the plight of babies pulled from their mothers' arms is political to you, then I am guilty of commenting on 'politics',
but I never saw this as 'political', I see Trump not as 'the annointed one of God', but as a Herod figure in a heartless tragedy than does take on biblical proportions as it plays out with the broken-hearted parents who will not be comforted at the loss of their babies.

I'm glad I see this in humanitarian terms. I am sad for those who cannot yet see this that way. But they will. In time. You know how I know this? Look at Wade and the Refuge he has built up as a sanctuary for those who had no place in 'Church', but now they are being cared for.

It's happening. The Kingdom is happening. Please pray for the babies and littles.

Sallie Borrink said...

I do care about the things that are happening. Deeply. And I resent the fact that people imply or state that I don't care just because I don't view them exactly the same way they do on a minute by minute basis.

That's part of why I had to walk away from Facebook and other places and carefully choose when to engage in those topics. And that's the problem with it being everywhere. It's not healthy for ANY of us to be constantly bombarded with these topics no matter which side of the debate you are on. I recognize that and have taken drastic steps to deal with it in order to be a good steward of my time and energy. I wrote extensively about why people are leaving Facebook and my own experience with leaving Facebook. I am much happier. I'm not in denial. I do keep myself informed. But I choose when to engage with the topics. I don't allow myself to be bombarded with them constantly because I believe that is poor stewardship of the life and responsibilities God has given me.

Christiane said...


Yet, the Word itself comes to stir my conscience.

It is hard to know if silence is the better way.
Esther was a Jew and her people were 'wanderers' seeking refuge in lands not their own who were sometimes persecuted horribly.
But Mordecai, Esther's uncle, had some words for her when she explained to him her dilemma: she could not approach the king without being summoned or she would possibly face death, and in that context, Mordecai advises his niece, this:

""14 For if you remain silent at this time,
relief and deliverance for the Jews will arise from another place,
but you and your father’s house will perish.

And who knows but that you have come to the kingdom for such a time as this?”"

(from the Book of Esther, chapter 4)

As for those who permit themselves to be silenced,
especially in the presence of the suffering of innocents;
how THEN shall they live ?

Anonymous said...

Christiane, I don’t think you will find any disagreement on your issues with the children. What I do think is that your responses had nothing at all to do with the post. If you feel so strongly that you need to post this on every blog 24 7 you may want to start your own blog where you can pick the topic yourself.

Christiane said...

I do think there IS a profound connection between Wade's post and the children's plight. So we disagree.
I notice your heavy emphasis on working at 'silencing' and I have a suggestion:
It's SO easy not to read anything that I have commented.
Just skip when you see my name and there is no harm done to your sensibilities. Problem solved. :)

I am not offended at all if people disagree with me. And I sure don't want anyone to feel that they have to be silenced, or have to stop commenting or I am offended.
I don't understand that kind of thinking. I never could.
What causes someone to treat another person that way? (?)

Christiane said...


ah, the little girl on the TIME cover, yes

she's okay, she's with her mom . . . thank God! :)

Rex Ray said...

Sallie Borrink,

You may like A Senior’s Version of FACEBOOK:

“For those of my generation who do not, and cannot, comprehend why Facebook exist: I am trying to make friends outside of Facebook while applying the same principles. Therefore, every day I walk down the street and tell passers-by what I have eaten, how I feel at the moment, what I have done the night before, what I will do later and with whom. I give them pictures of my family, my dog and of me gardening, taking things apart in the garage, watering the lawn, standing in front of landmarks, driving around town, having lunch, and doing what anybody and everybody does each day. I also listen to their conversations, give them “thumbs up” and tell them I “like” them. And it works just like Facebook. I already have 4 people following me: 2 police officers, a private investigator, and a psychiatrist.”

Sallie Borrink said...

No one is trying to silence anyone. I'm asking if we can keep to the topics that Wade introduces. I don't come here to read about and discuss gardening, homeschooling, or cooking so I don't believe it would be appropriate for me to start commenting on those topics and ask people to just skip past them if they aren't interested. I go to other places for those topics. I see it the same way with politics. That's not why people come here.

Sallie Borrink said...

Rex - LOL! Cute. :-)

Christiane said...

My comment was directed to "Anonymous".

Please know that I have not addressed anything to Mrs. Borrink. As far as I know I have not ever addressed anything specifically to Mrs. Borrink.


Was 'Anonymous' the same person as Mrs. Borrink?

(oh, dear)

Christiane said...

I'm sorry, I did address 'Sallie' in response to a comment made on
Wed May 30, 11:11:00 AM 2018

I will avoid any commenting TO Mrs. Borrink in future that might upset her or offend her in any way.

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