Thursday, November 09, 2017

The Tube of Time and Eternity Outside the Tube

We are creatures of time.

We plan for the future, reflect on the past, and live in the present.

But what if time is created by the Creator and exists for only a season? What if there is a "beginning" to time and an "ending" to time? What if one could live "outside of time" (eternity) and from eternity actually enter the tube of time at different places at the will of the Creator?

Sound ridiculous?

It may not be as wild a thought as one might initially think.

A scientist named Albert Einstein (1879-1955) thought about time, space, and eternity entirely different than others before him. All except for Spirit-inspired biblical writers (as we shall see).

Albert Einstein wasn't as big a genius as many believe. But Einstein had a very curious mind. He thought about things that others rarely considered. Einstein took time to imagine. And, most importantly, Einstein wasn't afraid to think differently about things that others firmly believed.

As an example,  Einstein began imagining a person flying in space at the speed of light (e.g. Superman). Einstein asked himself a question:
"If a man flew at the speed of light with his arm fully outstretched and his hand holding a mirror in front of his face, would the flying person be able to see himself in the mirror?"
Strange question? Not to Einstein's curious mind. It was a difficult question to answer because the hypothetical flying man would be flying at the speed of light. So what about the speed of the light traveling from the man's eye to the mirror and back? How does the man's flying speed alter the speed of the light bouncing between the man's pupil and the mirror? Would the flying man be able to see himself flying?

For a decade (1895-1905), Einstein imagined possible answers to his hypothetical question. Again, Einstein imagined the answers. He used his mind, not his laboratory. Or maybe even better, his mind became his laboratory.

Einstein thought through whether the man would be able to see anything since he was flying at the speed the light, the same speed as the light traveling from the man's pupil to the mirror. He also considered whether the man's flying speed change the speed of light coming toward his eye from the mirror and distort the image? Einstein then pondered whether the man would see his face bigger or smaller than it actually was. Einstein also reflected in his mind what observers on the ground would see or not see looking at the flying man at the speed of light.

A Famous Formula

After a decade of thought, Einstein concluded that the speed of light was constant. In other words,  Einstein speculated that light never changed speed, regardless of the observer's movement toward or away from the source of light.  

So out popped Einstein famous formula E=mc² (energy equals mass times the constant speed of light

Up until Einstein's time, everyone thought that time and distance were constants, but the speed of light, like the speed of everything else in the universe, was variable. 

But Einstein was willing to think about the speed of light in ways different than everyone else. After making the assumption that the speed of light was constant, Einstein returned to the mathematical and electromagnetic equations that had already been worked out years before and plugged in the letter "C" (a constant) to represent the fixed speed of light (whatever it might be) and out came the formula E=mc².

Here is where it get's crazy.

IF the speed of light is constant, Einstein knew from math that time and distance had to be relative.

That means time and distance are not fixed. Hypothetically, someone would be able to advance in time or go back in time, as well as jump to long distances by folding time. That seemed crazy and unscientific, and actually, it was, because Einstein thought it rather than proved it.

Even so, in 1905, Einstein publicized his formula in a three-page paper entitled Does The Inertia Of A Body Depend On It's Energy Content?" The paper had no footnotes and not one single reference to support it.

The scientific establishment went nuts. Einstein, they said, was insane.

Twenty years later, when technology had advanced sufficiently for science to prove or disprove Einstein's theory of relativity, the science proved that Einstein's guess was correct.

The speed of light is constant.

Time and distance are relative.

I'll put this in another way that is consistent with the teaching of Scripture. People created by God in the universe are living in a tube of time that God created, with the Creator and His Kingdom both inside and outside this tube of time.
"And God said, "Light!" (Genesis 1:3). 
"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End." (Revelation 22:13)
"Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever you had formed the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God." (Psalm 90:2)
"Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality." (I Corinthians 15:51-52)
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life." (John 3:16). 
Time is linear. But eternity is outside of time. Therefore, anything eternal must be thought about differently than how we think of time. Outside of time doesn't mean "at the end of time." Outside of time means "outside the tube of time."

An Illustration of the Tube of Time

Imagine a tube of your creation. Suppose you are the One outside that tube. You determine to allow two ants to crawl into one end of the tube. Then, since you are outside the tube, you may choose to seal both ends of the ant tube. Inside, the ants begin their linear journey to the other end of the tube. Along the way, the ants procreate and other ants are born. After a season, the first two ants die, but a colony of ants now exists in the tube. As far as the ants are concerned, nothing exists outside the dimension of their tube, but they hear stories in their ant language passed down from the first two ants who had seen the One outside the tube.  The One outside the tube (you) knows the beginning from the end (of the tube). The One outside the tube is from everlasting (from before the beginning of the tube) to everlasting (form long after the end of the tube), completely outside the tube of ant time.

That's an illustration of a tube of time.

In the tube of time known by man, God created time and placed those He created "in His image, male and female" (Genesis 5:1-2) inside time.

The Creator exists outside of time.

But in "the fullness of time," (as measured inside the tube, and according to God's plan), the Creator entered the tube of time, coming as Man, to communicate eternity with us (see Galatians 4:4-7).

Humans live and die in the tube of time.

But the Creator raises from death those who die in time.

Some raised from the dead by the power of God will be given immortal life and live in His Kingdom for eternity (outside of time). Others will be raised to judgment and will be sentenced to die a "second death" (Revelation 20:14) which the Bible calls eternal death, to separate this second death from the ordinary death that occurred in the tube of time (see II Thessalonians 1:7-9 and Romans 6:23).

From the perspective of the one who dies in the tube of time, the resurrection is immediate. But since the resurrection takes one "outside of time" (see I Corinthians 15 and Luke 20:27-40), the resurrection marks the beginning of the eternity, literally called "age upon age" (Hebrews 1:8). Life immortal after the resurrection is lived in a dimension with which we are unaccustomed.
When we’ve been there ten thousand years
Bright shining as the sun,
We’ve no less days to sing God’s praise
Than when we first begun.
A Couple of Thoughts About Eternity

If resurrection to immortal life begins a life lived outside the tube of time, it might be interesting to consider a couple of questions:
1. Is it possible for those who've experienced the "ressurection to immortal life" to  live in the eternal Kingdom of Christ (heaven) outside of time but come back through a portal into the tube of time?
The Scriptures may give a "Yes" to that question.

Moses and Elijah appeared in time on the Mountain of Transfiguration (see Matthew 17) from their homes outside of time.

Certain Old Testament men and women of faith who'd been raised to immortal life at the general resurrection came back into the tube of time when Christ was raised from the dead (see Matthew 27:52).  Jesus is the Firstfruits of resurrection, and the general resurrection is "yet to come" - that is from our perspective "in time." However, the resurrection takes God's people "outside of time" - above the "tube of time" if you will. So it seems that God determined to confirm His Son's resurrection by allowing "saints of old" (Matthew 27:52) to enter time from their eternal homes to confirm Christ and His eternal Kingdom to the early disciples.

The Scriptures also teach that we are likely to entertain "messengers unawares" in this life (Hebrews 13:2).  These messengers from eternity can be angelic who come into our sphere of space-time as guardians and protectors to those who've been ordained to "eternal life" (Hebrews 1:14), but it is also possible that since the word translated "angels" is actually "messengers," God could send a message to this world from those "in the resurrection."

So it may be wise to consider this world as a multi-dimensional epoch movie with both script and orchestration written and conducted by the Creator. God knows the end from the beginning. And as the eternal and immortal Creator who exists both inside and outside the tube of His creation, He can send "in time" His people who've been gifted with immortality. The resurrection takes His people "outside of time." It could be possible that some might be allowed - at the discretion of their heavenly Father -  to go back in time into this world's events to accomplish His purposes for the glory of God and the good of His people in "the tube of time."

Sound crazy? Not if time and distance (space) are relative and Light is constant.
2. Is it possible that death is called "sleep" in the Scriptures because the resurrection is the fountainhead of the eternal?
We lean toward thinking of eternity linearly and have difficulty considering eternal things existing outside the tube of time. If the Creator and His Kingdom are immortal and eternal, it means that Christ's Kingdom is outside the tube of time.
"The LORD has established His throne in the heavens, and His Kingdom rules over all" (Psalm 103:19). 
Yet, for our sakes, He enters time. His Kingdom culminates for us (at least from our perspective) outside of time (e.g. "forever and ever") when He raises us from the dead and gives us eternal life. The Bible teaches that the resurrection is when  "man's last enemy (death) is destroyed" (I Corinthians 15:26).

We are told Jesus Christ "waits for His enemies to be made a footstool for His feet" (Hebrews 10:13).

"Waiting" is something that only occurs in the tube of time. Jesus conquered death in His resurrection. But before He ascended He said, "Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear My voice and come out - some to the resurrection of life and some to the resurrection of judgment" (John 5:28).

Jesus waits - in terms of the tube of time - for the general resurrection. He's the firstfruits. His people are the full harvest. The general resurrection is coming "in the tube of time."

But time is shattered at the general resurrection. All are raised by God to His Kingdom outside of time. Those in Christ are gifted with immortal life to live forever outside of the dimension of space and time as we know it. Those apart from Christ are sentenced at the judgment to an eternal death.

There are some practical implications of seeing the resurrection to immortal life as an event in "the tube of time" which inaugurates immortal life "outside of time" (John 5:28). 

One implication is how we think about "heaven" inside the tube of time.

Often we think of loved ones who are in heaven "now" (thinking as one in the tube of time). But if we all wait for the general resurrection, then when we think of heaven we must always consider ourselves with our loved ones outside the tube of time (in eternity). There's nothing wrong with thinking of your loved ones in eternity now - outside of time - but you must imagine yourself with them, for you are!

The resurrection is the transition from inside the tube of time into the eternal. From our perspective, it happens "in time," but from an eternal perspective, it is outside the tube of time.

Obviously, it is impossible to "prove" anything I've said in this post. I'm just thinking through and imagining - like Einstein did from 1895-1905.

God's Word is the science of eternity.

Because we are not yet experiencing life outside of time, our minds must become the laboratory until God takes us to the lab. 


Rex Ray said...


No comment. But if I say that I’ve made one. So I might as well say you’ve made my day like the day I learned there was no Santa Claus.

Donald Johnson said...

A slight correction: When you say the speed of light is a constant, what you mean is the speed of light in a vacuum is constant. It is well known that the speed of light changes in water, for example, which is why a pole in water appears bent or broken.

Another aspect is that Einstein said that space and time are unified into spacetime, so if space has 3 dimensions, spacetime has 4 dimensions.

When Elijah appeared to Saul might be another example, but in this case was forbidden.

When Jesus was outside and then appears inside without going thru a door might be another example.

Assuming spacetime is 4D, these could be understood as entering 4D from a 5th or higher dimension. (There are some theories that spacetime actually has more dimensions, but only 3 are on the macro visible level. Yes, it can get weird.)

Rex Ray said...


Judy liked your post.

Wade Burleson said...

Rex, you are funny! :(


Unknown said...

John 8:12 12When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."
8Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. Hebrews 13:8 He is our Constant!

Wade Burleson said...

Sue Spleth,

Amen! :)

Wade Burleson said...


Superb points.

Thank you.

Paul Burleson said...


I originally wrote a somewhat lengthy comment, but upon reading it checking for typos, I decided people would typically respond to it by assuming that I think you are another Einstein or the world's best theologian or the best pastor any congregation could have or that you write the most sensible, articulate, clear, easy to read articles ever published. But some people are not good at making correct assumptions so I've written a simple comment that should clarify things.

I liked your post. ;)

Wade Burleson said...


That’s funny! :)

I like your comment too!


Anonymous said...

I read this aloud to my oldest daughter. She is entering into higher math and science this year as we homeschool. After she heard the whole thing she told me her, "brain hurts." :)
She then had a puzzled look on her face and asked, "If we actually are present outside of time and are with God now in eternity, does that mean we have always been there? Like, even before we were born here on earth?"
Since I didn't know how to answer that, I thought I'd throw it back to Wade.
- Hupomone

Aussie John said...


Great hypothesis!

I admire your willingness to stick your neck out occasionally :) As I've discovered there are a few "theologians" who carry a big axe with them.

Hey! Paul,I like that fatherly encouragement!

Aussie John said...

Someone once wrote, "the successful copywriter is a master of apposite and evocative verbal images"

Which brings to mind those I mentioned with the big axe, those who are often smug and self-satisfied in the positions they take, so the words of Job are appropriate. ‘“Keep listening to my words,and let this be your comfort.Bear with me, and I will speak,
and after I have spoken,mock on. (21: 1-3)

Wade Burleson said...


Compliment your daughter for me. She's a thinker - with a superb question.

"God alone possesses immortality (I Timothy 6:16) is what Paul told Timothy. That means NOBODY was before the foundation of the world, but God - contrary to Plato's rational argument that "souls" exist before they are united with the body. Only God is immortal.

However, God GIFTS immortality at the resurrection to His people. Immortality puts us "outside of time," but that doesn't mean we can "recall" what was before time - even what happened "in time." Only God can do that. But we can "learn" what happened in time and before time when we are gifted with immortality.

Hope that helps!

Christiane said...

Hello Wade,
I liked your post. It is 'conjecture' but I am beginning to think that in our 'imaginings', there may be some inklings of truth from time to time, that we are creatures who love 'myth' and 'story' and there is something in us that longs for that which is 'beyond us' and yet unknown . . . it's there, in our DNA perhaps as a part of being made in the image of God.

You might want to explore 'Tolkien & Lewis: Myth, Imagination & the Quest for Meaning'.
In short, our dreams and our hopes and our 'visions' of something that has meaning for us may be 'insights' into that which we are not to be fully make aware in this life, but in spite of that,
remains in us a 'wanting to know' that will not be quenched and seems to be a part of our human spirit . . . we wander, we explore, we 'quest', we 'question', we know we are on a 'journey' towards a place where we will be 'at home' someday and fully at peace with Our Creator. Don't ever discount 'myth' or 'imagination' or that special trust that was seen in the Gospels when Peter stepped out of the boat and moved on the waters towards Our Lord. Our 'imaginings' may very well be a way of glimpsing something through a 'glass darkly'. And from time to time, something of myth will resonate with something that lives within our spirits and a chord is struck that inspires and strengthens our hope . . . . I give you the film about Narnia when Aslan was 'resurrected' . . . it was a way that CS Lewis used to try to get 'past those watchful dragons':

"“I thought I saw how stories of this kind could steal past a certain inhibition which had paralysed much of my own religion in childhood. Why did one find it so hard to feel as one was told one ought to feel about God or the sufferings of Christ? I thought the chief reason was that one was told one ought to. An obligation to feel can freeze feelings. And reverence itself did harm. The whole subject was associated with lowered voices; almost as if it were something medical. But supposing that by casting all these things into an imaginary world, stripping them of their stained-glass and Sunday School associations, one could make them for the first time appear in their real potency? Could one not thus steal past those watchful dragons? I thought one could.”
― C.S. Lewis

I think the love of CS Lewis by so many evangelicals is a telling thing.

Wade, I may not agree with some of your ideas, but I really respect your 'quest'.
Go for it!

Christiane said...

from one of my favorite British poets, Henry Vaughan:

an excerpt from 'THE WORLD'
by Henry Vaughan

"I SAW Eternity the other night,
Like a great ring of pure and endless light,
All calm, as it was bright ;
And round beneath it, Time in hours, days, years
Driv'n by the spheres 5
Like a vast shadow mov'd ; in which the world
And all her train were hurl'd. . . . . "

and another insightful quote from a favorite author, JRR Tolkien:
“Is everything sad going to come untrue?
What’s happened to the world?”

and from Rev. 21:5, this:
“And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying,
‘Behold, I am making all things new.’”

That child-like sense of 'wonder' and 'awe' is, in itself, a kind of prayer, yes.

Bob Cleveland said...

First, I liked the post.

Second, my brain hurts, too!

Third: the very first words in Scripture are "In the beginning...". That tells us that there was a beginning. We know that there wasn't any time before that, or it wouldn't have been the beginning.

Then God spoke. So He must have been here at the beginning. He wasn't here prior to the beginning, either, or THAT would have been the beginning. Hence that necessitates that God exists, and existed, outside of time.

Scripture indicates it's appointed to us ONCE to die. So the only way we could live again, which scripture indicates is the case, is for our "resurrection" to be permanent. And it seems to fit that it'll be outside of time.

Ouch. My head hurts worse now.

Thanksalot, friend.....

RB Kuter said...
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RB Kuter said...

Wade, I just read your post and was amazed given that I have been preparing for a Bible study series related to "The Transfiguration" event to begin this Sunday"! How did you know that?

I believe that to be one of the two greatest "Sign" events that Christ gave us, the other being the Resurrection, in terms of the content of the messages portrayed. God gave us many truths in this one event and the message our Sunday group will wrestle with this week is God's "Timelessness" as portrayed at the amazing gathering of Jesus with Elijah and Moses on the mount.

Amazing how we can all recognize a truth from God (i.e., His timelessness) and come down in entirely different positions from the applications of that truth. I did enjoy reading your perspective, but of course, disagree with your extensions of the ramifications of God's timelessness as related to the elimination of the existence of the lost compared to that of the saved. But I have mentioned my views on that previously so will not go there. Thanks for this very interesting post, particularly with Einstein's work.

L. Lee said...

Please explain how a resurrected body exists outside of time? Would such a body exist outside of space? Or are we talking nonsense? One might imagine a spirit outside of time but a body? The relativity of time and space do not necessarily prove their future nonexistence.

RB Kuter said...

Wade, I do like your analogy of the "time" tube with "timelessness" of eternity being on the outside. With your permission, it would be helpful for me to use that to express this concept with our class tomorrow.

Wade Burleson said...


Of course, feel free to use the illustration - and thanks for the kind words!

Wade Burleson said...

L Lee,

GREAT question. Seriously. Superb.

Since I believe entirely in the resurrection to BODILY existence - and we will not be floating spirits - how does a body exist “outside of time.”


“The MORTAL shall PUT ON immortality” (I Corinthians 15).

In other words, we WILL be living forever in physical, tangible BODIES, and God does RAISE our bodies to IMMORTALITY (as a gift), so it seems to me that we have to think “ENTIRELY DIFFERENTLY” about the immortal bodies God gifts us with for eternity. They are BODIES which are able to experience MULITPLE DIMENSIONS (Einstein believed the actual dimensions of the universe were in the dozens), rather than simple our linear “space/time” dimension. To answer your question simply: “I’m not sure.” But what I am sure about is that the resurrection is of the body - just differently fashioned - “for the MORTAL will PUT ON immortality.”

RB Kuter said...

Of course, if this is okay with you, I will indeed give credit to the source. I hate it when people use gems from others and present it like they're the originator, don't you? I know you do because you are always diligent and intentional in attributing the source of your material.Good "scholarmanship". Is that a word?

RB Kuter said...

Wonder if the "new heaven" and earth is the introduction into the timeless realm of immortality in which all creation, including immortal, resurrected saints, will live in an entirely new timeless realm. No rising/setting sun, no "day/night", nothing to measure "time". We will not even relate to being there for ten thousand "years". No such thing. But a glorious existence which we cannot imagine. Watched a secular sci-fi movie, "Arrival", which somewhat portrayed this "timeless" concept. Pretty interesting.

Christiane said...

I think the living and the 'dead' in the Body of Christ ARE connected, though the living are 'in time' and the dead in 'eternity' . . . . . the connection is, of course, in Our Lord who transcends time as the Alpha and the Omega, Who was and is and will be.

Rex Ray said...


“For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I NOW EVEN AS ALSO I AM KNOWN.” (Corinthians 13:12 KJ)

“Jesus’ appearance was transformed so that his face shone like the sun...Moses and Elijah appeared and began talking with Jesus.” (Matthew 17:2-3 NLT)

“But now, as to whether there will be a resurrection of the dead—haven’t you ever read about this in the Scriptures? Long after Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob had died, God said, I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. So he is the God of the living not the dead.” (Matthew 22:31-32 NLT)

Rex Ray said...

Last week I told someone when I was in the third grade I was chopping cotton barefooted and ended up with a three inch scar on top of my foot. But it had gone away. The next day it came back. (I had looked at the wrong foot.)

I haven’t suddenly ‘lost my marbles’.

Last year, Judy and I ate at a restaurant. When we got in the car I told her I had left my glasses. I asked the people at ‘our booth’ if they had seen any. They said no.

I asked our waiter which booth was ours he led me to the same one. I asked again and they said, “Were they sunglasses?”
“No. They were regular glasses.”
“You mean like the ones you’re wearing?”

Rex Ray said...

Oh my goodness: “…now I know in part; but then shall I KNOW EVEN AS ALSO I AM KNOWN.” (1 Corinthians 13:12 KJ)

I have an eye appointment this week. :)

I believe in heaven when we meet someone we will instantly know their name and the good things they have done. But most of all we will feel the love of God forever and forever.

RB Kuter said...

Rex Ray, you remind me of humorist, Will Rogers. I wish you had your own syndicated talk radio show. The thing that makes your anecdotes so funny is that so many of us can relate to your experiences having such similar ones ourselves. Plus, there seems to very few places you have not been or few experiences you have not had! You simply need to be discovered and you will be a sensation!

Rex Ray said...


Thanks, but the ‘funny’ guy in our family is my brother-in-law, Rollie Rinker. When our father Dave Ray, would introduce him to someone he would tell Rollie, “Say something funny.”

He told Rollie when he died he wanted him to say something at his funeral.

“I can’t do that Dave.”
“Why not?”
“I’d get too tickled.”

Once when he and his wife were taking a physical, a nurse told her to put a robe on and for him to take his shirt off.

Rollie said, “I can’t do that.”
“Why not?”

I know my sister wanted to kill him when he said, “My wife gets too excited.”

Christiane said...


REX RAY is one of the greatest story-tellers on line today. His humor is up there with Garrison Keillor in my opinion. :)

RB Kuter said...


Rex Ray said...


You remind me; this is my beloved Son hear him.
Good to hear you again.


Yes, “Rollie Rinker”: Six foot five inches…All American college basketball player…ten brothers and sisters…taught school 30 years. Remembers every joke he’s ever heard.

Once I was going to introduce him to a doctor. I was concentrating on the doctor’s name and said, “Dr. xxxx this is my brother-in-law” and my mind went blank.

“My name is Rollie Rinker. You’ll have to excuse Rex as we haven’t been married very long; only twelve years.”

Rick said...

Hi Wade:

Thanks for the insight...Have you read Randy Alcorn’s book Heaven? Or Wayne Gruden’s Systematic Theology?...they indicate based on Scripture, that we will indeed experience time in the New Heaven and New Earth...Honestly, this was something new for me when I first read it...your thoughts?



Anonymous said...

Rick -
Kind of ironic, but I too, was wondering about Gruden's Systematic Theology. I often enter people or terms in the search function of Istoria to see what (if anything) Wade has to say about it. When I searched "Gruden" I found this:

Interesting to note that he also mentions Alcorn's "Heaven" in the same post.

To Wade -
I think you opened a wormhole in our family, as we continue to look at Einstein's ideas and how they correlate to scripture. In doing so, we found this article and thought you may find it interesting.

Thanks for the mental workout!

Rex Ray said...


November 15, 2017 email to

My name is Rex R. Ray. I am 85 and a friend of James T. Tague, author of “LBJ and the Kennedy Killing” (Copyright 2013). As Kennedy was being killed concrete fragments from a bullet made his face bleed. This caused the “magic bullet” to be invented. I have ‘reduced’ his book of 433 pages to 8 pages. I’ll mail you a copy if you wish.

The bullet in Kennedy’s back was lead. James Files (hit man for the mob) said he used a ‘mercury’ bullet that hit Kennedy in the head. Since mercury never dissolves an autopsy would find a trace of mercury which would prove a conspiracy.

RB Kuter said...

"as we continue to look at Einstein's ideas and how they correlate to scripture"

At the same time, I wonder why I am surprised when "objective-truth-seeking" scientists stumble upon and awkwardly uncover aspects of the wonder and unlimited parameters of our Creator of the universe.

I.e., the prophet, Ezekiel explains more than 500 years (yes, that's right, a half millennium) before Christ's entry into this realm) that God sends His agent to put a "mark" on the foreheads of those remaining faithful to God and only these will escape His coming judgment. The Hebrew letter translated as "mark" in this passage is the last letter in the Hebrew alphabet used at the time of Ezekiel (taw) and is in the shape, you guessed it, of a CROSS. Ezekiel says the mark of the cross will be on the foreheads of the redeemed and they only will escape the coming judgment.

Revelations 7 says an angel is sent out to "seal on the foreheads of the bondservants of God" and then in 9:4 it says that only those who have the "seal of God on their foreheads" will escape the judgment on earth" during the Tribulation. Lest someone think that this seal is only put on a literal number of 144,000 (mentioned in 7:4) instead of that number being symbolic of ALL of God's bondservants, Revelation 7:9, immediately following the reference to "144,000", says a multitude so great nobody could count them, will be standing before the throne of God.

Wonder what that "seal" on the foreheads of God's bondservants will look like? Doesn't specify there, but perhaps, a CROSS? Of course, I believe it will be. Maybe God can already see the seal of the CROSS on your forehead!

Then we're told scientists explain that the nuclear "lamina" substance which is a dense, fibrillar network inside the nucleus of most cells is shaped in, oh no! Don't tell me! You guessed it, a CROSS.

Coincidence? Conjecture? No, I think it is all the portrayal of God's timelessness and confounding and intricate engineering of the universe from the smallest level of physical existence, to the infinite eternal reality of what will/is/has happened. Because HE did it, of course. He is one thrilling Creator, God, Father!

Rex Ray said...

November 17, 2017
Email to
Carolyn Arnold, a secretary, saw Oswald eating in the lunchroom on the second floor 15 minutes before Kennedy was shot. (p.46-47)

75 seconds after the first shot, a policeman, Marrion Baker, pulled his gun on Oswald in the lunchroom.

As soon as the last shots were fired, Vickie Adams and Sandra Styles left their work stations on the 4th floor. They would have taken the elevator but the electricity was off so they went down the stairs. (p.214)

For Oswald to have left the 6th floor, hide his rifle on the 5th floor, run down the stairs and be in the lunch room in 75 seconds, he’d had to pass these women on the stairs, but they saw no one. (p.217)

Roy Truly, Depository Superintendent, told Baker that Oswald was an employee. “Oswald appeared normal, calm, and collected.” He finished his lunch and bought a bottle of soda from the soft-drink machine and casually walked out the front door.” (p.44)

Wade Burleson said...


I have read both Grudem and Alcorn. I appreciate their insights but disagree on the experience of time in eternity (and of temporary bodies during the interim state).