Saturday, January 24, 2015

The Gov't Should Shut Down Mosques with Ties to Radical Islam Per Thomas Jefferson

This handwritten note (pictured left) from Thomas Jefferson gives instructions for the construction of his gravestone. Jefferson wanted carved into the stone these words: "Here was buried Thomas Jefferson, Author of the Declaration of Independence, of the Statute of Virginia for religious freedom & Father of the University of Virginia" (Source:

The former President of the United States, U.S. Secretary of State, and Governor of Virginia only wanted to be remembered for his documents on individual liberties and religious freedom, as well as his educational work.  The principle of religious freedom was at the heart of Jefferson's world view. Though he had his personal flaws, Jefferson helped shaped the religious freedoms we Americans enjoy to worship God as we please.

 In his Notes on the State of Virginia, Jefferson wrote: "The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It (religion) neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."

The basis for Jefferson's belief that the state should not interfere with religion, nor establish a state religion, was that the government 'of the people' was designed to protect citizens from property loss - "(religion) neither picks my pocket") - and personal injury - "(religion) neither breaks my leg."

But what happens when a religion begins to do both? What happens when a religion begins to injure and kill people? What happens when a religion begins to steal from the pockets of citizens? According to Jefferson's logic, the government should intervene.

There is a Jeffersonian American politician named Bobby Jindal, governor of Louisiana, who spoke last week in London on how to confront radical Islam. Jindal's words are potent and direct. The reaction to Jindal's words from CAIR, the Counsel on American Islamic Relations, has been strong.

Before one condemns Jindal for alleged 'colonialism,' we ought to remember the logic of the man who wrote the founding documents of liberty for our country. When religion begins to 'pick my pocket' and 'break my leg,' then the government should intervene and ban such a religion.


Christiane said...

I was thinking about 'intervention' when a religion supports the brutalization of innocent people, and how best it might be done.

We have to pull the screen back a bit and take a look at our own society first,
and see what intervention there HAS been for those who harm innocents.
I remember the arrest of the polygamist Warren Jeffs who ran a cult that exposed young under-age girls to sexual abuse. And I remember the arrest of parents whose religious 'discipline' of their two adopted children led to the death of one, and severe medical problems for the other. I believe the 'source' of their indoctrination came from the Pearls, who advocate the whipping of even small infants.

I agree that intervention for wrong-doing is needed. But I also think we have a duty as Americans to see that it is done correctly according to our laws. In my own Church, we have come to realize the great harm of NOT intervening effectively when harm is done. So I am a proponent of action when it is needed, yes.

But let us be cautious and not fall back on stereotypes and fear to generate action. We owe it to innocent people to protect and defend them from harm. That is our way. But we need to remember who we are, and be honorable in our response as an American people.

some thoughts

Ramesh said...

A different perspective: Informed Comment [Juan Cole] > Terrorism and the other Religions

Rex Ray said...


Good post. You wrote “…Islamic terror…”

Our President will say “terrorist” but never “Islamic terrorist”.


Do “Birds of a feather flock together”?

I copy-paste this from you comment section dated May 19, 2013.

Rex Ray said...
Are these Muslims in the White House for real?

1. Arif Alikhan - Assistant Secretary for Policy Development for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

2. Mohammed Elibiary - Homeland Security Adviser.

3. Rashad Hussain - Special Envoy to the (OIC) Organization of the Islamic Conference.

4. Salam al-Marayati - Obama Adviser – founder Muslim Public Affairs Council and its current executive director.

5. Imam Mohamed Magid - Obama's Sharia Czar – Islamic Society of North America.

6. Eboo Patel - Advisory Council on Faith-Based Neighborhood partnerships.
Sun May 19, 11:28:00 PM 2013

You didn’t reply so I gave the references for each Muslim.

Wade Burleson said...


I don't know. Your comment is the first I've heard of them.

Christiane said...

Alif Alikhan also honorably served in the G.W. Bush administration.

Rex Ray said...


This reference is to what I wrote on your blog:

Rex Ray said...
I’ll research my question.
“Obama appoints 2 devout Muslims to Homeland Security” Kareem Shora and Arif Aukhan.

1. Kareem Shora
Obama Team adds adviser with ties to terror backers by Aaron Klein Worldnetdaily: “Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano swore in [Kareem Shora] to her official advisory council the head of an Arab American organization whose officials have labeled deadly anti-U.S. jihadists as “heroes” and opposed referring to Hamas as a terrorist organization.”

2. Mohamed Elibiary

Mohamed Elibiary, Homeland Security Adviser, Allegedly Leaked Intel, Shopped Classified Info to Media, PS Director: "We Know He has Accessed DPS Documents and Downloaded them.” Wednesday, October 26, 2011

“Elibiary publicly defended the late Muslim Brotherhood jihad ideologist Sayyid Qutb as a positive spiritual influence. Qutb, understand, called for global holy war to subjugate the planet — including dissenting Muslims — for radical Islam.”

3. Rashad Hussain

“President Obama has chosen Rashad Hussain to be his special envoy to the Organization of the Islamic Conference, a post originally created by the Bush Administration in 2008. Hussain’s past association with Muslim Brotherhood-connected entities raises major questions about the type of outreach he envisions for the Muslim world.”

4. Salam Al-Marayati

It was, unfortunately, no surprise when the Obama Administration selected Salam Al-Marayati to join the U.S. delegation at a human rights conference being held in Warsaw by the Organization of Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE). No surprise, because Marayati, the director of the Islamist Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC), had already been dispatched by the Obama Administration in 2010 to speak on human rights on behalf of the U.S. to UNESCO in Paris and at the U.S. mission to the United Nations in Geneva… Following the 9/11 attacks, he argued that Israel had carried out this slaughter of thousands of Americans: “I think we should put the state of Israel on the suspect list, because I think this [the 9/11 attacks] diverts attention from what’s happening in the Palestinian territories so that they can go on with their aggression and occupation and apartheid policies.” “If all this isn’t enough, Marayati has openly supported the Lebanese Shia terrorist group, Hizballah, and defended members of the Palestinian terrorist group, Hamas.”

5. Imam Mohamed Magid

Obama’s shariah czar Mohamed Magid hands diversity award to Jew-hater Dawud Walid. Walid is popular with the Obama administration, taking two taxpayer financed trips overseas on behalf of the State Department.

6. Eboo Patel

He is a member of President Obama’s Advisory Council of the White House. He wrote a book: The Story of an American Muslim.
Mon May 20, 09:48:00 AM 2013

Rex Ray said...


A 2007 article in the German publication Der Spiegel described Arif Alikhan as "a devout Sunni."

Sunni Islam is the world's second largest religious body (after Christianity) and the largest religious denomination for any religion in the world. (Wikipedia)

Rex Ray said...

Malik Obama was ‘best man’ at Obama’s wedding. He has often been a visitor to the White House, and also appears to be a die-hard supporter of the Hamas terrorists.

Rex Ray said...

The motto of the Muslim Brotherhood…

"Allah is our objective; the Qur'an is the Constitution; the Prophet is our leader; jihad is our way; death for the sake of Allah is our wish."

It began as a Pan-Islamic, religious, and social movement. The Muslim Brotherhood had an estimated two million members by the end of World War II.

The link below states Obama’s half brother, Malik Obama, is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Big Daddy Weave said...


The NRA and its members like to remind us that guns don't kill people, people kill people.

I'm not a NRA supporter, but the point is taken.

Along that same line of thinking, religion doesn't kill people, people kill people. Right?

We don't ban a religious organization - be it a church, mosque, synagogue or whatever - because it has a member or members that do terrible terrible things. If we did, we'd have a whole lot of Catholic (and not a few Baptist) churches shut down for crimes committed against children.

Would you be more clear and unpack your suggestion that mosques be shut down? What does this look like? Where does this start? Where's the ethical line? What mosques do you want to shut down?

Rex Ray said...


Off subject:
I noticed one of your favorite movies is “JFK”.

Have you seen the documentary on NEWSX channel 349 of “I killed JFK”?

It’s an hour long interviews with the alleged assassin of JFK and two former FBI agents.

James Files was a ‘hit man’ for the Mafia who says he was one of the men that did the shooting…said Oswald never shot anyone but was there as a pasty.

The program has been aired many times and will be on again at 10:00 PM tonight.

Rex Ray said...

Yesterday’s newspaper:

“President Barack Obama said, “The United States strongly condemns the brutal murder of Japanese citizen Haruna Yukawa by the terrorist group Islamic State.”

He did not say ‘Islamic terrorist’ (which would include the world) but limited to “State”.

His statement reminds me of: “Stick and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.”

IMHO, he has half of Roosevelt’s philosophy (Walk softly but carry a big stick) as Obama has a toothpick.

I believe a certain photograph tells it all. It shows a detour truck with a “Follow Me” sign.

The truck has an Obama sign on its bumper and is a few feet from plunging into a river.

Josh from FL said...

The one thing that makes me hesitate on this course of action is the risk of it being used against us.

"Christians are denying gay people freedoms and it's hurting them. Christians' narrow view of morality is preventing forms of entertainment - resulting in people losing jobs. The government should intervene."

It would only take a group of people who hate Christians to make that possible. Lord knows there's no shortage of those.

Rex Ray said...

Today’s Newspaper:

“President Barack Obama dashed…to meet with King Salman since the death of his half brother.”

Obama arrived with a delegation of 29 U.S. dignitaries and officials.

I wonder if they bowed before the King. :)

Why the different from how the U.S. was represented in Paris?

Could one Muslim’s death of old age be more important that the murder of many?

Rex Ray said...

The news reported that the Army charged Bowe Bergdahl of desertion, but it looks like they didn’t check with their ‘Commander and Chief’ since the White House said it didn’t happen.

Unknown said...

I read this post several times and also read the linked resources.

Jefferson's personal musings about his religious tolerance isn't law. It cannot be used as justification to ban Islam from the U.S.

If you wish to ban a religion from the U.S., you will need to pass a law or laws allowing for that action. If you wish to use Jefferson's criteria as the basis for that law, go for it. When your call for the U.S. to ban Islam is based on LAW, then, please, proceed.

Or has David Barton snuck into your larder and replaced your Kool Aid with the flavor he serves Kirk Cameron?