tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post8160697237404123619..comments2024-03-28T11:32:15.421-05:00Comments on <center>Istoria Ministries Article Archive</center>: It's Thursday, But Sunday's Coming! Wade Burlesonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01968442835088008681noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-66653762739644499922024-03-28T11:32:15.421-05:002024-03-28T11:32:15.421-05:00David T - five years after you first commented! Th...David T - five years after you first commented! Thank you. :)Wade Burlesonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01968442835088008681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-79599296985350142022019-04-23T09:10:52.945-05:002019-04-23T09:10:52.945-05:00Picking nits here, but the "Waxing" and ...Picking nits here, but the "Waxing" and "Waning" labels on the moon chart are backwards. Waxing means "gaining in strength, getting stronger, headed to fullness" while waning means the opposite.David Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12330520734610807893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-90109902832892309152019-04-22T21:08:13.224-05:002019-04-22T21:08:13.224-05:00CHRISTIANE,
Yes, we had a wonderful Easter. Start...CHRISTIANE,<br /><br />Yes, we had a wonderful Easter. Started early with a good sermon by our pastor and good singing in the woods. Then a sermon by a former missionary to Hungry, whose our County Association Director, in a near-by church in Ector, Texas where I graduated from high-school in 1950. <br /><br />Judy and I got many compliments from getting lights on a nine foot cross that’s 22 feet above our 40 foot high slide on Easter. We hope the many cars that pass will be reminded of our Lord’s message in days to come. <br /><br />We appreciate your prayers.<br />Rex Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976501582240117188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-20273318444495014492019-04-22T00:35:41.630-05:002019-04-22T00:35:41.630-05:00Good Morning, REX RAY
hope you had a wonderful Ea...Good Morning, REX RAY<br /><br />hope you had a wonderful Easter Day!<br /><br />That wording comes from the Eastern Christian (Orthodox) liturgy which is referring to Jesus Christ as God in the Second Person of the Holy Trinity.<br /><br />It is a doctrine that was formed by the early Christian Church, this Doctrine of the Holy Trinity, and I'm not certain how much of that teaching made it through the Reformation intact.<br />But most certainly, in the eastern Church, Our Lord is also called 'the Son of God', but that understanding is rooted in their all-encompassing Trinitarian Doctrine. <br /><br />I think I have come to understand that many evangelical people do not see Christ as God, but rather, refer to the Father as God instead, and Jesus Christ as 'the Son of God'.<br />The formation of the Doctrine of the Holy Trinity was a response to the early heresies of the Church that questioned 'who Christ was'. <br /><br />There was much confusion among many in those days, and new teachings were arising that differed from what had been handed down to the Apostles and their followers, so the first Councils of the Church were convened to address those heresies and to formulate the Church's teachings on 'Who Christ Was', and to clarify the 'Doctrine of the Holy Trinity'.<br /><br />To call Our Lord 'the Son of God' was and is a part of the original teachings handed down from the Apostles and passed on through the ages of the Church. <br /><br />I hope this helps. Like I said, I don't know how much of the 'Doctrine of the Holy Trinity' made it through as believed by some or all of evangelical Christian people, so I am unclear about whether it is the 'language' that is confusing, or if there is some different theological interpretation of 'Who God Is'. I do think most evangelical people see Our Lord as 'the Giver of Life', at least I hope that's true. <br /><br />Hope you and yours are well. I continue to pray for your family members with health problems. By the way, Wade had a beautiful sermon on the Wartburg Watch blog on Easter morning, so if you get an opportunity to listen to it, I highly recommend it. Christianehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15969310497166526545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-17533676999025609292019-04-21T22:33:44.111-05:002019-04-21T22:33:44.111-05:00CHRISTIANE,
You quoted, “When You did descend to ...CHRISTIANE,<br /><br />You quoted, “When You did descend to death, O Life Immortal, You did slay hell with the splendor of Your Godhead,”<br /><br />I don’t believe Jesus slayed hell because God is in charge of hell. In hell, Jesus did not whip up on the devil, but suffered his Father’s punishment for all mankind.<br />Rex Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976501582240117188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-35639461066301395112019-04-20T08:00:59.437-05:002019-04-20T08:00:59.437-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Christianehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15969310497166526545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-18926781028809665352019-04-20T07:54:18.753-05:002019-04-20T07:54:18.753-05:00An Eastern Orthodox prayer on Holy Saturday
&quo...An Eastern Orthodox prayer on Holy Saturday<br /><br /><br />"When You did descend to death, O Life Immortal, <br /> You did slay hell with the splendor of Your Godhead, <br />And when from the depths You did raise the dead, <br /> All the Powers of Heaven cried out, <br />"O Giver of Life, Christ our God, glory to You!"Christianehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15969310497166526545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-79985536066597685062019-04-20T06:51:37.207-05:002019-04-20T06:51:37.207-05:00Wade,
What really happened? When Jesus said, “…th...Wade,<br /><br />What really happened? When Jesus said, “…the Son of man will be three days and nights in the heart of the earth.” (Mathew 12:40)<br /><br />“You will not leave my soul in hell or let the body of your Holy Son decay.” (Acts 2:27 Living)<br /><br />I believe Jesus being in hell for three days made Calvary look like a picnic. Countless people have died more painful, longer, and horrible deaths in honoring Jesus than the physical death of Jesus. <br /><br />I said “physical death” because the spiritual death (separation from his Father) burst his human heart by his honest question, “My God, my God, why have you abandoned me? (Matthew 27:46 NLT) (God could only answer his Son’s question by his tears.)<br /><br />As one person said, “Jesus asked his Father a real question. He did not think, ‘Oh, I think I’ll quote some Scripture as recorded in Psalm 22:1.”<br /><br />The price for our sins required the same punishment the rich man was suffering in hell. “…I am in anguish in these flames.” (Luke 16:24 NLT) <br /><br />We can never fathom how much God loves us that he had his Son suffer for us on the Cross and in hell.<br />Rex Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06976501582240117188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-51726058496883008842019-04-19T23:08:53.826-05:002019-04-19T23:08:53.826-05:00just a thought on the topic(s) at hand:
no offens...just a thought on the topic(s) at hand:<br /><br />no offense intended, and I have no problem with conjecture about times and dates, which seems a human thing as the sacred Scriptures do present us with some contradictory viewpoints which promote curiosity and excuse conjecture, of course;<br /><br />but it seems a better way to understand that the timely event of the Crucifixion also has meaning in Eternity <br />. . . IF the early calendars of Western tradition got it wrong which day or year or month,<br /> at least these calendars marked the entire Christ Event as THE gold standard from which to count all time backward from Him into the past and forward from Him into the future, so that the years are marked FROM the time of Christ With Us and He is always at the center of all time as we know it,<br /> and our Western tradition's focus emphasizes this: <br />that 'time' and 'eternity' BOTH meet in the very Person of Christ, the Kyrios who is 'unto the ages of ages'<br /><br /> <br />Christianehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15969310497166526545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-45149573011139191372019-04-19T21:05:19.943-05:002019-04-19T21:05:19.943-05:00Wade said:
“He died he died on the 14th.
He ros...Wade said:<br /><br />“He died he died on the 14th. <br /><br />He rose on the 17th - the third day.”<br /><br />That’s some strange math. <br /><br />From 14 to 17 on a calendar (Jewish or Roman) is 4 days. Count the days:<br /><br />14th - the 1st day<br />15th - the 2nd day<br />16th - the 3rd day<br />17th - the 4th day<br /><br />As to the “3 days and 3 nights” — most scholars have long held it is a Hebraism, that is, a Hebrew figure of speech or colloquialism that simply means “3 days”. And there is precedent in both the Old Testament and other ancient Jewish writings for counting portions of a day as a day. <br /><br />See<br /><br />https://answersingenesis.org/jesus-christ/resurrection/three-days-and-nights/<br /><br />And<br /><br />https://wordofmessiah.org/the-three-days-and-three-nights-issue/<br /><br />I personally don’t think it is a significant issue, as it is a matter of interpretation, not a matter of one view being biblical and the other not biblical. <br /><br />I also think the core message is what matters - Jesus died for sinners to secure our salvation. and rose from the dead in triumph over death and the grave and sin, demonstrating that the Father accepted His sacrifice on our behalf. That makes it a Good Friday (or Thursday) indeed! <br /><br />Happy Easter, Wade! God’s blessings on you and your family! <br /><br />Tom Kelleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07843658496931624572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-45289495175445555122019-04-19T05:01:27.367-05:002019-04-19T05:01:27.367-05:00Christiane, everyone knows you are the anonymous o...Christiane, everyone knows you are the anonymous on imonk spreading the Mueller report even though it has no connection to the post above. At least be honest.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-46903007204795561152019-04-18T10:13:22.747-05:002019-04-18T10:13:22.747-05:00Heavily Redacted MUELLER REPORT
https://www.ju...Heavily Redacted MUELLER REPORT<br /><br />https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdfChristianehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15969310497166526545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-11848891388926551822019-04-18T09:37:05.187-05:002019-04-18T09:37:05.187-05:00https://www.openbible.info/topics/on_the_third_day...https://www.openbible.info/topics/on_the_third_dayAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-5930240709854495862019-04-18T07:48:33.607-05:002019-04-18T07:48:33.607-05:00Anonymous,
The Mark passage TWICE said "the...Anonymous, <br /><br />The Mark passage TWICE said "they prepared" for the Passover, not that they ate the Passover. Preparation for the Passover involved several days.<br /><br />Jesus ate a LAST SUPPER with His disciples on Wednesday night. There is no mention of a Lamb - only bread and wine (food staples).<br /><br />I believe koinonia fellowship takes place at every meal and we are to "remember Jesus" when we are around our daily bread with those we love.<br /><br />The Lord's Supper is not a glorified Passover. It is a completely New Covenant concept that "whatever you eat or drink, do all to the glory of God."<br />Wade Burlesonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01968442835088008681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-50085429394238893592019-04-18T07:45:58.145-05:002019-04-18T07:45:58.145-05:00All, I first posted this article in 2013, and it&#...All, I first posted this article in 2013, and it's my tradition to update and repost every Easter season. <br /><br />Happy Resurrection.<br /><br />Wade Burlesonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01968442835088008681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-60089937887883933562018-03-31T14:46:54.220-05:002018-03-31T14:46:54.220-05:00Fascinating article. I agree, the connection betwe...Fascinating article. I agree, the connection between Passover and the passion narrative is definitely intended by the Gospel authors.<br /><br />One question, how do you deal with Mark 14:12-16? I’m curious because that passage seems to indicate that the Last Supper was a Passover meal. I’d be interested in hearing your thoughts.<br /><br />Thanks!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-49826550404081896472013-06-04T17:04:57.919-05:002013-06-04T17:04:57.919-05:00Pastor Wade,
Thank you for this post. I was a y...Pastor Wade, <br /><br />Thank you for this post. I was a young girl at Emmanuel Enid when you became pastor. The thought of Easter egg hunts and Christmas trees at that place will probably never sit well with my soul. I'm now grown, with my own family, and these pagan traditions are thankfully, with the conviction of the Father, far removed from our lives. But, try teaching that on an Easter Sunday, heh?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-28189093333226694572013-04-14T13:29:46.691-05:002013-04-14T13:29:46.691-05:00Wade, I learn so much from reading your blog. I k...Wade, I learn so much from reading your blog. I know it takes time to put it together. Thank you for taking that time. I'm a smarter, better-equipped Christian because of you. Johnny D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17141127764617679586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-13192836468157587192013-04-08T16:51:34.585-05:002013-04-08T16:51:34.585-05:00Wade,
What Ryan was referring to re: the Star of B...Wade,<br />What Ryan was referring to re: the Star of Bethlehem's website (Rick Larson's work) is not a solar eclipse, but a lunar eclipse resulting in the moon "turning to blood." A total lunar eclipse results in the moon's surface turning blood red in color.<br /><br />While growing up I was bothered that you couldn't count 3 nights with a Friday crucifixion. The whole "part of a day counts as a whole day" scheme bothers me a bit, too. I was introduced to the "early" crucifixion by some Dallas Th. Sem. people. They also pointed to what seems to be a missing day in the Passion week if you have the Last Supper on Thursday evening.<br /><br />Some people debate the timing (on both sides of the issue), saying that Matthew uses Jewish counting, but Luke uses Gentile.<br /><br />I think it's a minor issue, not to get distracted from the Gospel message about. Paul warns about arguing about days and times and making such things an issue.B Nettleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11840792631008943962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-67267184539283371832013-04-08T08:35:49.557-05:002013-04-08T08:35:49.557-05:00Ryan,
I do not believe the darkening of the skies...Ryan,<br /><br />I do not believe the darkening of the skies on the crucifixion NECESSARILY has to mean an eclipse. <br /><br />I am reminded of other times where light was extended and darkness given where there was no astronomical sign.<br /><br />As far as the early church is considered I would ask "How early?" I grant that by the time of Constantine's reign (325 AD) the crucifixion day was fixed, but will not agree that the church earlier than this date affirmed a Friday crucifixion.Wade Burlesonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01968442835088008681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-4818626754706049332013-04-08T08:33:42.695-05:002013-04-08T08:33:42.695-05:00RRR,
Good comment. I understand.
Thank you for ...RRR,<br /><br />Good comment. I understand. <br /><br />Thank you for commenting and I always respect a man who says, "I do not agree," but is uninterested in convincing another of his position. That is my story as well! :)<br /><br />Well done.Wade Burlesonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01968442835088008681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-61684155067462654102013-04-08T08:32:19.070-05:002013-04-08T08:32:19.070-05:00Off the Cuff,
Similar to Christmas Day celebratio...Off the Cuff,<br /><br />Similar to Christmas Day celebrations, we adopt cultural standards and celebrate the birth of Christ on that day, though we do not consider Christmas Day to be the birthday of Christ and acknowledge that nowhere in Scripture is there a celebration of Christ's birth except for the actual occasion of the Messiah being born.<br /><br />Were we to accurately celebrate the day of Christ's resurrection it would ALWAYS be the "morrow after the Sabbath" of Passover Week - but once again, our Roman Catholic brethren and western culture has adopted a convulated way to calculate the celebration of Easter and we follow culture on this matter.<br /><br />Probably more importantly, we celebrate the resurrection of Christ every Sunday, since that is the foundation of our faith.<br />Wade Burlesonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01968442835088008681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-51477662831387143772013-04-08T06:52:24.905-05:002013-04-08T06:52:24.905-05:00Bro. Wade,
You said; "Jesus died on the 14th ...Bro. Wade,<br />You said; "Jesus died on the 14th day of Aviv, 30 A.D. at 3:00 in the afternoon which would correspond to April 6, 30 A.D. on our western calendar." Since your research fixes the precise date of the crucifixion on April 6th, that would make the precise date of his resurrection on April 9th. Does you church observe resurrection Day on April 9th each year, or do you follow the traditional observance of Holy Week and Easter with the rest of us who are ill informed? (smile).<br />Just Wondering!<br /> <br />p.s. I agree with a Thursday crucifixion.Off The Cuffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00630768359355117670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-42481220722933597602013-04-07T23:26:39.315-05:002013-04-07T23:26:39.315-05:00Wade,
Let me qualify all of my comments by acknow...Wade,<br /><br />Let me qualify all of my comments by acknowledging that you are a much more astute Biblical scholar than I. That’s one reason I respect you and enjoy your posts and seriously consider your comments.<br /><br />I cannot answer your question as to “how do you get three nights from a Friday death?” when taking the position that Jesus died and was buried on Friday and in the tomb Friday “night” and Saturday “night” and arose on Sunday morning. But given the one reference by Jesus about being in the ground for “3 days and 3 nights” compared to 10-15 Scripture passages made by Him and witnesses that He arose “on the third day” I choose to take the traditional “Friday-Sunday” schedule.<br /><br />There are similar questions that arise in Scripture when it seems to contradict itself or other realities like, “6 days to create the universe so when did the dinosaurs roam the earth?”/ “God holds us accountable to decide whether or not we will accept Him but at the same time He is sovereign and all-knowing so what choice can we have?”/ “Father, Son and Holy Ghost but there’s only one God?”/ “The Rapture occurs but there is still a church in the world during The Great Tribulation?”/ “The 1,000 year reign of Christ on earth related to the chronological order of events pertaining to His return.” etc. I always try to take Scripture literally as it is written and search and pray to arrive at some conclusion most consistent with who I know our God to be and what His proclaimed Kingdom Plan to be.<br /><br />Due to the huge support by so many Biblical scholars that Jesus died the day prior to the traditional Jewish Sabbath, Friday, was buried in the tomb Friday, was there Saturday and rose from the dead on the third day, Sunday morning, I prefer to take that position. The most difficult conflict to reconcile with this position is of course the one reference to Jesus’ words when He said, “so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” (Matthew 12:40). <br /><br />We find 10-15 passages where Jesus and witnesses refer to the resurrection taking place “on the third day”. One could conclude as you and others do that He was in the grave 3 days and 3 nights but then I could say He would then have to rise on the “fourth day” which is even more difficult to reconcile with all the references Jesus made to the contrary. <br /><br />When the two men traveling along the road to Emmaus meet Jesus they tell Him in reference to the crucifixion events AND the reported resurrection, “It is the third day since these things happened.” They don’t say, “It is the fourth day since these things happened.” which would have been the case had Jesus been crucified on Thursday, buried Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday night and then arose on Sunday morning.<br /><br />My intentions are not to convince you to agree with my position but only to point out why I do not accept yours. I do greatly benefit from your informative posts and respect you as a scholar and good source of information for me to consider. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-34127261758444415912013-04-07T22:00:54.329-05:002013-04-07T22:00:54.329-05:00I'm going throw a curveball in here. Please ch...I'm going throw a curveball in here. Please check out the various pages on "Dating the Crucifixion" on the Star of Bethlethem website: http://www.bethlehemstar.net/the-day-of-the-cross/dating-the-crucifixion/ . Mr. Larson presents an argument for the crucifixion occurring in 33 AD based on the astronomical events surrounding the date. Just something to think about. I don't know who is correct but both approaches are fascinating.Mandynoreply@blogger.com