tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post1050136344506506162..comments2024-03-10T03:46:08.735-05:00Comments on <center>Istoria Ministries Article Archive</center>: The American Sunday School Union and the LawWade Burlesonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01968442835088008681noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-62366938239213346332015-06-06T12:17:53.642-05:002015-06-06T12:17:53.642-05:00The law of Moses was in place only until it was fu...The law of Moses was in place only until it was fully fulfilled on our behalf by Jesus Christ, and then it was superseded by the better and higher law of his love. (Romans 15:8-10).<br /><br />With the coming of Jesus Christ, Moses honorably faded away (2 Cor 3:11) and reached his 'sell-by' date (Hebrews 8:13). This verse tells us the old covenant of Moses was aging fast, soon to disappear and is now totally obsolete having been replaced with something better.<br /><br />Now that Moses is dead, the living Jesus Christ has become the mediator of a new and superior covenant, far better and more glorious than the old. " ...Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of eternal inheritance-now that he died to set them free...from the first covenant" . (Hebrews 9:15)<br /><br />No more Sabbath rules; no more circumcision; no more prohibition of bacon or smoked ham....all gone and relegated to optional cultural practises. Love is now the litmus test of our obedience. <br /><br /> We should gladly be free now to live in submission to the grace of God every day, walking in the love of Jesus and drawing power and wisdom from the Holy Spirit. Do not return to the bondage of Egypt !Gordonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07067239433890894406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-503570892506914202015-06-06T08:24:10.417-05:002015-06-06T08:24:10.417-05:00sorry, should be 'something that can NOT be l...sorry, should be 'something that can NOT be legislated' . . . (need more coffee) :)Christianehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15969310497166526545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-55098405763451047232015-06-06T08:23:01.959-05:002015-06-06T08:23:01.959-05:00I forgot to add that I expect 'KINDNESS' t...I forgot to add that I expect 'KINDNESS' to be something that is not CAN be legislated, if people are not inclined to be humane, but sometimes the threat of a fine or of incarceration does curb people of ill will towards other living beings from doing their worst to them. (not always, sadly, but we know this all too well)Christianehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15969310497166526545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-15480817825675823072015-06-06T08:03:21.490-05:002015-06-06T08:03:21.490-05:00"The Sabbath "Blue Laws" have since..."The Sabbath "Blue Laws" have since been overturned."<br /><br />I do believe that, in Norfolk, Virginia, there is still a law on the books which forbids anyone to lead a bear on a chain down the center of Main Street on Sunday.<br /><br />Goodness, I think that putting chains on bears should be outlawed everywhere, but then, I cannot 'bear' the thought of any animal suffering on a chain. <br /><br />I suppose the best 'blue' laws WERE those that should be in effect 24/7 anyway. Especially, if those laws reflected a kindness shown to any living being. :)<br /><br />Christianehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15969310497166526545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-51620406163414326272015-06-06T01:42:45.514-05:002015-06-06T01:42:45.514-05:00Bob, I am happy for you to hold to an understandin...Bob, I am happy for you to hold to an understanding that the Greek text, IMHO, does not support.<br /><br />In Heb 8:13 the word translated as new in this verse is OT:2537 Kaineén (in the simplified transliterated text) which has the following Strong meaning: - NT:2537 kaino/$ kainos (kahee-nos'); of uncertain affinity; new (especially in freshness); while NT:3501 is properly so with respect to age: KJV new: - (Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)<br /><br />I do appreciate your stance but if God's covenant is the same in the distant past as it is today and as it will be in our future, then the same covenant undertakings that were in play in the distant past are the same undertakings that are in play today and also will be in our future. The point that Paul was making in this verse is that the covenant will be/has been made like new again for us as we accept its terms of implementation in today's environment.<br /><br />When Jesus came, He said that He had not come to change any part of the Law, which also embraces the covenant, but he certainly expressed the law in a fresh new way for us to contemplate and follow to the best of our ability.<br /><br />Now when does the defence for a particular meaning of a word go outside the intended meaning that Christ initially gave.<br /><br />May God's grace help us both to grow in our maturity in Christ.<br />Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16960396811279003662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-23700769216528844982015-06-05T19:33:37.430-05:002015-06-05T19:33:37.430-05:00According to the Interlinear Bible and Strong'...According to the Interlinear Bible and Strong's, 8:13 means exactly what it says. I will stand on that.Bob Clevelandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06110395869562328309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-45050568542506203712015-06-05T16:52:33.110-05:002015-06-05T16:52:33.110-05:00Bob
Eph 4:20-24: But you have not so learned Chri...Bob<br /><br />Eph 4:20-24: But you have not so learned Christ, if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus: that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness. NKJV<br /><br />Gives us a clue as to the meaning of NT:2537 which has the meaning of being made fresh like new again where NT:365 tells us to be renewed, made like new again, such that our memory of our old self quickly fades from our mind and the renewed us comes to the for front of our recollection of who we now are in Christ.<br /><br />Your reference to Heb 8:13 is actually telling us that the "Old"/original Covenant has been refreshed and made like new again to use, such that the refreshed form of the previous covenant is remembered and displaces our memory of the former pattern of the covenant from our mind. <br /><br />The only time that "new" with respect to time is in any way closely associated with the word "covenant" is found in Heb 12:24 where I believe to right interpreted translation would read as follows: -<br /><br />Heb 12:22-24: - But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, to Jesus the new Mediator of the covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel. NKJV<br /><br />In the parable of the "New" {with respect to time} Wine and the "refreshed" {made like new again with oil etc. rubbed into the skin so that it is pliable and soft and can stretch} wine skins, even the "new"/unused wine skins need to be refreshed before the "new" wine is stored in them because leather wine skins age and become hard and brittle even if unused. In this parable NT:3501 is used with respect to the "wine" but NT:2537 is used with respect to the wine skins.<br /><br />It is my understanding that Jewish scholars consider that Jer 31:31 indicates that God will made his covenant with the nation of Israel which was made some three and a half thousand years like new again with them and that instead of the covenant being imprinted on their "stone hearts" that it will be imprinted on their "flesh hearts" and be as real as the day it was first given.<br /><br />Oh we "Christians" want it to be so different that we miss it completely with our hard hearts towards humanity and God's purposes.<br /><br />Shalom<br />Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16960396811279003662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-42651439479519984722015-06-05T16:17:52.429-05:002015-06-05T16:17:52.429-05:00Interesting...the question is should the Blue Laws...Interesting...the question is should the Blue Laws have been imposed on those who didn't/don't believe in the Sabbath? And is Sunday School the scriptural means for children to learn how to get to heaven or was that responsibility designated to the parents?<br /><br />I might get stoned for saying this, but I think Christians have become bullies. We expect everyone to believe and behave the way we believe and ....talk about behaving. God didn't expect the pagan nations around Israel to believe the same as the Israelites. He cautioned His people to live by different standards than the surrounding nations and in doing so, they might introduce their God to them as opposed to their gods. But they weren't to bully or intimidate them or picket their practices to bring them into line.<br /><br />Yes, the purpose of the Sabbath was rest and Jesus is our rest. It's good to put aside time for worship and fellowship with others, but it's not mandatory I don't think.<br /><br />Times change; people change; and culture changes. Hopefully our understanding keeps up with those changes rather than imposing rigid traditions from the past.<br /><br />Victorioushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05612933331490588145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19615457.post-31317873577495891642015-06-05T15:38:56.992-05:002015-06-05T15:38:56.992-05:00Hebrews 8 says that God made a new covenant, and ....Hebrews 8 says that God made a new covenant, and .... verse 13 ... "By calling this covenant "new", He has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete is aging and will soon disappear". <br /><br />The old covenant .. the one of laws ... either disappeared or it didn't. One thing you couldn't do under the old one was pick & choose which parts you wanted to observe.<br /><br />Goodness gracious ... Baptists above all believe that once we're saved, we're swimming in an ocean of grace that we can't get out of. <br /><br />As to the Sabbath, God took a day of rest after 6 days, and I figure He doesn't really get tired, but I do, and if a day of rest is good for Him, it's even better for me!Bob Clevelandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06110395869562328309noreply@blogger.com