"I went to Jerusalem to become acquainted (Gk. istoria) with Cephas" - Paul's words from Galatians 1:18.

Where Modern Science Fails Us Every Single Time

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We live in a scientific age. That's obvious to anyone with a modicum of formal education.

However, it's important to know where science will fail you if you let it. Science cannot speak declaratively on the origin or ultimate end of human life, this world, the universe, or even disease.

God alone governs. Science observes.

The best scientists who have ever lived agree that God alone governs the world. They taught that people should rely on God because He's the transcendent Creator, outside of time, and trust that He's bringing all things in time to an ultimate grand and good conclusion.

Beginning in the late 1600s, mankind's knowledge began increasing through scientific experimentation, observation, verification, and documentation. Scientists began observing natural processes and drew some conclusions from their research. Historians call this time of vastly increasing scientific knowledge the Age of Enlightenment.

My foremost intellectual heroes come from the dawn of the Enlightenment. Men like Isaac Newton (1642 -1726) in physics, John Locke (1632 -1704) in philosophy,  Robert Boyle (1627 -1691) in chemistry, and Christopher Wren (1632 -1723) in architecture and astronomy, have taught me much.

All four men co-founded the Royal Society (established Nov. 28, 1660), the world's oldest scientific institution.

Few people realize that each of these men also loved and appreciated the Word of God. They each had a deep and abiding faith in God as the Creator and Governor of all things. All four are famous for their scientific achievements, but their superb expositions and commentaries of the Bible are also superb, and they all are available to you for free online.

Christopher Wren's iconic St. Paul's Cathedral in London
Isaac Newton taught about the chronology of ancient nations from his study of the Scriptures. John Locke taught the natural mortality of every man, God's gift of immortality, and the importance of faith in God for meaningful human existence. Robert Boyle, the epitome of a man of science and a man of God, taught the nature of humility within scientific reasoning, and he urged everyone to never lose sight that there are some things that transcend a human being's ability to reasonChristopher Wren, the architect of St. Paul's in London, Sainte-Genvieve (now the Pantheon) in Paris, and the major influencer for the later design of the U.S. Capitol, taught that the proclamation (teaching) of God's Word should be the centerpiece of human existence.

Christopher Wren (1672 -1723) also served as the first President of the Royal Society.

He believed that the advancement of knowledge is warranted because the universe is God's footstool, with our transcendent Creator seated above it. When we learn more about our universe, Wren said, we come closer to God.

To these scientists of the Englightenment, nothing happens in our world without either God's permission, or His promotion, or His prohibition. God is bringing about a good and eternal purpose for His Creation.

The most thoughtful scientists are always the most delightful theists. A belief in a transcendent God in charge of the world keeps mankind humble. Listen to these four scientists speak.

Isaac Newton -
"God made and governs the world invisibly...and the opposite of godliness is atheism in profession, and idolatry in practice. Atheism is so senseless and odious to mankind, that it never has had many professors."
John Locke -
"We have reason and Scripture; unerring rules to know whether something is true. The bent of our own minds may favor something as much as we please but this favoring will be no means prove it to be an offspring of heaven."
Robert Boyle -
"A blind man will suffer himself to be led, though by a dog, or a child. In the Bible, the blind man may learn all requisite knowledge, and the most knowing may learn to discern blind ignorance."
Christopher Wren's Tomb
  Christopher Wren -
LECTOR, SI MONUMENTUM REQUIRIS, CICUMSPICE
"If you seek His monument, look around you."
Translated from the Latin on Wren's Tombstone 
The universe is God's, and He's governing all things from an intentional beginning to a purposeful eternity.

Compare the intellectual faith of these four great Enlightenment scientists to what New York City's mayor Andrew Cuomo recently said of his city's success in "flattening the curve" of Covid-19 by bringing the number of deaths and cases down. Governor Cuomo minced no words at his press conference.  "The number is down because we brought the number down," said the mayor. "God did not do that. Faith did not do that. Destiny did not do that. A lot of pain and suffering did that . . . That’s how it works."

At some point, you are going to have to decide whether want God to govern your life or science to govern it. Science will always fail you in its portrayal of the origin and end of all things, including Covid-19.

Nobody's in control but God.

Coronaviruses and God's Plan


When SARS first appeared in  China in November 2002, it rapidly spread throughout Asia. SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome) was far more deadly than it's close-cousin COVID-19. People got sick and died within two to three days. The mortality rate of SARS was significantly higher than that of COVID-19. Yet, back in 2002/2003, we didn't lock down the world.

Scientists in 2002 and 2003 feverishly worked on a vaccine for SARS. They eventually thought they had one, but later discovered through scientific testing that if that vaccine had been injected into humans, it would have created a new pathological immunity disease in those who'd been vaccinated.

I'm not against vaccinations. I am, as were all my intellectual heroes of the Enlightenment, against scientists that pretend to be in control of the world.

SARS mysteriously disappeared in the summer of 2003.

Why did SARS disappear? Science cannot tell us, because modern science will fail you and me every single time when it comes to the answers of origin or end. Science can only observe processes and suggest actions.

Science isn't in control of anything.  President Larry P. Arnn of Hillsdale College says it succinctly:
"We must of course listen to experts, but expertise cannot as a simple fact of principle tell us finally what is right to do."
Emmanuel Enid
This Sunday, we are opening our three corporate worship services to the public. We are encouraging everyone to practice personal liberty and either stay home (watching it online) or personally come to one of the services.

At the entrance to all the buildings, be hand sanitizers and masks will be available. You, of course, may bring your own mask if you desire. The choice of wearing a mask or not is yours alone. Nobody will be judged for wearing a mask, and nobody will be judged for not wearing a mask. I will not be wearing a mask, but I will respect the distance between me and you, though I will not be offended if you come close to me, for I am unconcerned about catching the coronavirus.

We shut down our services 8 weeks ago to be a good neighbor. We were told that "hospitals will be overrun with the sick and dying, with no capacity to care for the anticipated surge." If you've been living in or around Enid, Oklahoma these last few weeks, you've seen thousands of people out and about at large box stores deemed "essential" by the government. Not only have our cases not gone up, but our hospitals are also losing money like a sieve and laying off people due to low census. We've had one death attributed to Covid-19, an 86-year-old woman.

Covid-19 is a serious respiratory illness. So was SARS. So will be the next coronavirus that comes our way. Let's learn our lessons now. Let's get prepared as a country with PPE, with new medical equipment, and let's now stock up on other needed hospital supplies. But let's never again shut down the world for lack of medical supplies. Let's be prepared. Shutting down will wind up killing more people than the disease.

Our hearts go out to people affected by Covid-19, just like they go out to families affected by influenza, cancer, strokes, heart attacks, suicide, loss of career, etc.. Our God, who knows the end from the beginning, and He works all things according to His purpose. Take the advice of the Scriptures, and learn from the wisdom of men like Newton, Boyle, Wren, and Locke.
Let God govern you. Not science.
Could I die from COVID-19? Of course. So could you. Could people die from COVID-19 who come to worship services at Emmanuel this Sunday? Maybe. I don't think so, but I'm humble enough to admit I don't know. Unlike modern science, we believe God is the Governor of all that have a beginning and an ending, not science. The weakness of science is anticipation; the strength of science is observation.

I've observed enough in our community to know its time for us to open, and I respect other pastors and churches that don't. I would ask the same courtesy of respect for the choice we've made. You and I could die of influenza next winter. We could die in a violent terrorist attack. We all could die of a new coronavirus that nobody yet knows about, including science, in the year 2022. Science never governs anyone's life very well. God never fails.

I learned to trust in God's governance from some Enlightened scientists who lived a long time ago. They helped me formulate an axiom for my life:
There are many things worse than dying and at the top of that list is the fear of living. 
When it comes time for me to die, and each of us will die,  my faith in a good God who governs the world will bring me to a place where He will reveal "the riches of His grace for eons to come in Christ Jesus" (Ephesians 2:7).

If you think this blog is too heavy, I leave you with a video from our staff inviting people to attend our services this Sunday, and with a reminder from a great Scriptural proverb:
"A cheerful heart is good medicine, but a crushed spirit dries up the bones" (Proverbs 17:22). 

68 comments:

CM said...

You conveniently left out the fact of the Newton-Liebniz calculus controversy.

Also in Newton's case, you may want ask which "God" was Newton following. Newton's fidelity to orthodox Christianity has been disputed. Research into his theological writings shows that Newton esposed Arianism and considered trinitarianism to be the great apostasy. On Newton's deathbed, he refused the sacrament of the Anglican Church.

Here is but one article.

https://isaacnewtonstheology.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/heretic.pdf

You may want to replace Newton with James Clerk Maxwell. At least his fidelity to Orthodoxy Christianity is not nearly in dispute.


RB Kuter said...

Article May 1, 2020, "American Institute for Economic Research:
"The flu spread from Hong Kong to the United States, arriving December 1968 and peaking a year later. It ultimately killed 100,000 people in the U.S., mostly over the age of 65, and one million worldwide."

This was with U.S. population of 200 million as compared to today's 328 million, hence, much higher death "per 1,000" ration in 1968 "pandemic". Yet in 1968, NOTHING was closed by force. Schools open, businesses, movies, restaurants, even the Woodstock New York concert with 500,000 packed into one confined, open field. Stock markets didn't crash. Congress passed no legislation related to the flu and certainly did not begin sending money freely to victims. Not a single governor acted to enforce social distancing or banning of crowds. No daycares shut even though there were more infant deaths with this virus than the one we have today. No related suicides or unemployment.

During the 1968 flu season, news media was not even interested.

Reflecting on the recent 5 years, flu seasons in the U.S. have been comparable to this year even with the inflated data coming in from intensive data collection this year and with this year's policy of attributing ALL "deaths" of those victims who had contracted the "Corona Virus" dying as a result of having the Corona Virus!
Imagine, "Head-wound gunshot victim was infected with Corona Virus dies. COVID 19 DOES IT AGAIN!"

CM said...

Please be more careful in your posts about scientists and others and please do more research. Otherwise you will fall into the same trap that fraud and huckster David Barton did with the Founding Fathers, like Jefferson.

RB Kuter said...

Is this year's "COVID 19" panic genuinely substantiated or is it a conspiracy?

The method of assessment to best answer that question is to objectively ask:

1. "Who could be benefiting from an exaggerated response and propaganda campaign to maximize projection of fear and trepidation related to a normal situation that surfaces and diminishes every year at the same time within the same parameters?"

2. What was the time frame and circumstances existing at the beginning of the apparent propaganda campaign and when it disappeared. Was any significant event taking place during the time of the propaganda that was particularly impacted?

3. Is such a conspiracy unprecedented or have there been other events similar in size and scope that indicate the possibility of an orchestrated catastrophe on global proportions with similar wealth and power involved?

The answer to "3." is yes, most visibly, the "Y2K" scam. Trillions of dollars were involved and a "Corona Virus"-sized propaganda campaign was activated. The "Y2K"-panic was based upon the totally unsubstantiated proposition that all of the electronic world would collapse when "year" dates changed from having the "1900" sequence to the "2000" sequence unless extreme measures were taken to remedy a problem not yet evolved or proven.

Evidence supporting that the "Y2K" panic was totally bogus was that NONE of those nations who took "zero" measures to address the propagated catastrophe experienced any of the proposed consequences for not taking steps to remedy an imagined crisis. They were unscathed by the dreadful "Y2K" roll of the century dates.

Yet on January 2, 2000, NOBODY pursued the question, "Hey! Why didn't those countries have problems who took no steps to avoid the crisis?"

We lived in one of those countries that took no preventive "Y2K" steps. When I asked the bank in Thailand at the end of 1999, "What steps are you taking to address the 'Y2K' problem?" The response of the bank manager was, "None. If we have a problem, then we'll deal with it." Result, January 1, 2000 came and passed with no problems surfacing in Thailand or other less developed nations yet had electronic systems upon which their infrastructures was based. No power outages, no computer shutdowns, no banks closed.

An assessment asking these questions regarding "COVID 19" would will no doubt shed light as to whether this COVID 19 crisis is a situation orchestrated and controlled by those powers who are invested and benefiting from the panic. Problem is, those powers orchestrating the crisis and propaganda also control the cover-up after the dust has settled (hence, "Y2K" silence. Only crickets.)

Wade Burleson said...

CM,

I'm very familiar with Newton's faith. I deem Newton orthodox (as did his family), but generations later questioned it. I've read Newton's private letters in Keynes possession. But your suggestion about Maxwell is a good one.

By the way, on my death bed, I will also refuse any sacrament from any church.

My bread is Christ, and my life is in Him, not a religious ritual.

Thanks for your comment.

Wade Burleson said...

RB Kuter,

Once again, an erudite comment. Thank you.

CM said...

RB,

A couple of things. What was the mortality rate of the 1968 flu compared to COVID-19?
Second, the 1968 Flu was caused by the N3N2 strain of influenza, which was descended from the N2N2 strain (which cased the 1957-1958 flu outbreak).

The Hong Kong flu strain shared internal genes and the neuraminidase with the 1957 Asian flu (H2N2). Accumulated antibodies to the neuraminidase or internal proteins may have resulted in much fewer casualties than most pandemics.

This means there was very likely some built in antibodies to the 1968 outbreak in the populations that mitigated this. We do not have that for SARS-Cov2.

But go ahead and compare apples to oranges.

CM said...

Wade,

Did you even bother to read the paper I referenced? The paper I referenced uses Keynes in their references.

CM said...

Wade,

I also highly suggest you look at how Newton's stubborn resistance and dogma impacted the solution to the Longitude Problem.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/the-h-word/2013/may/02/advice-government-newton-history-science

While Newton was a great mind and mathematician and scientist, his own dogma in later years actually hindered things.

CM said...

Wade,

Correction. The article did not make the point I was making, so I retract it.

CM said...

In any case Wade, Newton was a petty, jealous, and vindictive man. Look how he went after Leibniz and Hooke. When Liebniz tried to present his findings to the Royal Society (of which Newton was the chair), rather than have an impartial committee look over the work, Newton staffed with his cronies and he himself penned the report. So naturally Newton was credited for the invention of calculus.

Anonymous said...

“If You are the Son of God,” he said, “throw Yourself down. For it is written: ‘He will command His angels concerning You, and they will lift You up in their hands, so that You will not strike Your foot against a stone.’” 7Jesus replied, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’”

Lissa Roberson said...

OK, "Welcome Back" is the laugh I needed to remedy all the doom and gloom of the week's 24/7 Corona-media!

Your words re: Science providing all the answers, made me think back to the definition of science that I learned back in elementary school. Lo and behold, I found it on Google. Definition of science, for kids: Knowledge about the natural world that is based on facts learned through experiments and observation. According to that definition, science observes "what is". It doesn't explain the mystery of "from whence things came". Even its best attempts, Big Bang and Evolution beg the question "Where did the 'bang' (or the first amoeba) come from?"

Sometime, somehow, all will have to admit that we cannot extinguish this virus. At some point we must help our citizens get back to supporting their families, get children back into schools, and get patients back to receiving necessary medical care that isn't Corona-related. I have been praying for our president, governors, mayors, and pastors. It's a relief to see churches re-opening even against the edict of their overprotective (over-controlling) state authorities.

Welcome back, indeed!

Wade Burleson said...

I just received word from the Oklahoma Blood Institute that I tested POSITVE for SARS 2 COVID-19 antibodies.

That means I had COVID-19 and recovered and now have antibodies.

I had no symptoms. No sickness.

I am ready to know give plasma to those in need, but I'm hopeful that my story will calm the fears of others and help people realize that all you hear on the news is gloom and doom, but there are many more stories of natural immunity developing, what science calls "herd immunity."

Anonymous said...

Wade, I hope you didn't interact with anyone while you had the virus. If they now have it, they might get sick and, at worst, die. Had you worn a mask there would've been less chance of that happening.

- One salient Oversight

Rex Ray said...

Wade,

You tested positive for having COVID-19? WOW, that’s amazing! How did you find out?

I had a ‘bad day’ yesterday. My knees were replaced a long time ago. The left one has gotten worse and I’ve walked with a cane a couple of years. Been seeing a chiropractor twice a week for back pain. I parked at Walmart, but I felt a sharp pain in my knee as I started walking. Twenty feet from the door; I could go no farther. Cars had to go around me.

Two ladies rescued me. One kept me balanced, and the other got a Walmart scooter. In the scooter, the pain stopped. I picked up a prescription for back pain, oranges, bananas, and strawberries. They said it’d be OK to leave the scooter at my car. I haven’t felt that pain since.

Getting old isn’t made for sissies. :)


Wade, welcome to the club of being bad mouthed by ‘One salient Oversight’. He told me to be checked for dementia.

Celeste said...

As someone who has worked in and been fascinated with the world of science for most of her life, I can definitely write that science does not have the answers. One can take cells, tear them apart into their individual components -- proteins, RNA, DNA, lipids -- but we can never re-create that cell. Likewise, we can take cells, but we will never recreate the person. We do occasionally grow tissue, but never the person.

Some cells are immortalized -- either through viral infection or mutations from cancer. They can be grown in vitro, yet they will never come together to make an organism. They will never have a soul. They will always be lacking in spirit.

There is a "fun" yet tragic book of medical history called "The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks" (Amazon link). The book documents the tragic story of a young black woman who dies of metastatic cervical cancer in the 1950's. It also documents the successful development of one of the first tissue culture cell lines (HeLa cells). There was no informed consent back in the 1950's -- a time when medicine was very paternalistic. In a time when there were no tissue culture cell lines, a sample of this woman's cancer was taken and was successfully grown in culture. Those cells are still around today, easily grown and expanded, , and they have served as the backbone for multiple advancements in medicine including viral studies. These cells have contributed to the creation of vaccines for polio and HPV. They have contributed to studies on other viruses including HIV. I, however, disagree with the title of the book, and my mind frequently remembers the title as "The Immortal Cells" rather than "Life" of Henrietta Lacks. She is not immortal. Her life has ended. She died of her cancer. Her cells can never reconstitute her life. The bioethics of this case -- she was never told that the sample was being taken, her family was never told. Her family, which is poor, believes that they have claim to the profits from this cell line (which is sold by companies.....). Once again, it is an odd thought that her chromosomes -- the blueprint of her life-- live on immortally. However, this blueprint has been forever destroyed by her cancer before that tissue sample was taken. When those cells became cancerous, it is like some dumped coffee all over the plans. Normal human cells have 46 chromosomes. HeLa cells have 76-90 chromosomes. Henrietta Lacks is not immortal. Her life is not immortal. Her cancerous cells are, but they do not have her spirit.

BTW, the solution for the lack of that informed consent for her tissue harvesting being used for later advancements: these days, much of research in cancer care is being driven by molecular markers. For many clinical trials, part of the tissue from the cancer is banked, or blood samples are banked. When people agree to participate in a clinical trial, they usually are giving up their rights to any advancements made based on that tissue. Some might think that is wrong, but in my mind, when it leaves my body, it is no longer me.

We have ownership concerns from tissue samples but also from DNA, which can be obtained from a blood sample. DNA can contribute to drug development, as well as impact law enforcement progress (who hasn't watched CSI....). Many people have signed away those rights when they sent that sample to Ancestry DNA or 23 and Me. Now, once again, I have no huge problems with that "loss of privacy." I personally choose not to send my DNA to those companies -- if I have genes that put me at increased risk of dementia or something like that, I choose not to live my life with that cloud since those diseases have no good treatment. But that is the way that I am living my life.

Celeste said...

-continued-
CM, I found a reference that suggested that the mortality rate for Hong Kong flu was 0.5%.

Our lack of testing capabilities are *really* compromises are ability to understand the true mortality rate of COVID 19. Where I live we are having a surge right now (ugh....just as the state is opening up although I would argue that our rural community never closed down-- except for the hair cuts. I NEED a haircut (sarcasm with that statement.....)). Because of that lack of testing, the mortality rate in my county now stands at 7%. Do I think we are weak and just dying off? No way. We just had no testing for a long period of time because the cities were getting all the tests (for me, this virus is *really* emphasizing the wisdom of our founding fathers in setting up the presidential election with an electoral college. We need the same thing for the rationing of medical supplies, but that is a different topic).

From a medical standpoint, this virus is unique, and scary because we don't understand it. We have the "happy hypoxics" (the people who have an oxygen saturation less than seems compatible with living, yet they are talking), the sudden death when patients seemed to be on the road to recovery and just die (usually related to hearts that have died while infected), the clotting problems (strokes) and now the threat of auto-immune processes in the young. However, I was around when HIV was first coming on the scene, and those were scary times as well, especially with the multitude of opportunistic infections that came with those patients. I anticipate that back in 1968, doctors felt the same way -- all these people dying-- however, back then, medical technology was still relatively rudimentary. We didn't have wide access to the current type of ICU level care so when people got bad sick and died, they died

My take (and I am trying to keep thsi short): Our culture and society is odd. Improvements in technology have led us to think that we "know all" when in reality the more we know, the more we know what we don't know (reference to previous post). Also, from my perspective, our litagenous society has created this sense that when something goes wrong, some ONE is at fault and needs to pay. We see this in the politicalization of this virus -- whether you think that Trump is at fault, or buy into a conspiracy theory that the Left is using this to take Trump down, or , or, or..... I do not understand why there is so much bad and evil in our world (yes, we can go through Genesis and Job and Daniel and David and.....eventually coming to Jesus' death). I do believe that God works through the bad. Perhaps, part of the lesson of this virus is to humble us. We can not control it. We can do what we can (social distancing, mask wearing, hand washing, etc) yet SARS-CoV2 will spread among us. (Yes - "Do not put the Lord your God to the test.") I do know that shutting down the economy in the manner that we have is going to have on-going health consequences beyond this virus that are going to ripple out and become larger over time.

Thanks for letting me provide my science blog installment for the day! I pray all is well with your soul (s)!

Christiane said...

WADE,
Above all things, God is merciful. Thank God you had no symptoms. By donating plasma, I know you will try to help others out of your own being, as that is a part of your character.

May God keep you and yours safe. In the midst of troubles, God is with us. We are not abandoned or alone.

You have my prayers that there will be no lasting effects. May you be a blessing to others for many years to come.

Christiane said...

REX RAY,

Call your doctor and report the symptoms you felt at Walmart. That's important.

Some Walmarts are scheduling 'senior hours' in the very early morning, so check to see if you have that advantage in your area. I've taken to ordering everything on Amazon, but the prices are pretty high . . . twenty dollars for ten face masks FROM CHINA, eighty plus dollars for toilet paper in bulk, and a few other items with also ridiculous prices, so for me, it's back to Walmart during 'senior hours' next week. But I hear prices are higher everywhere so I may go to ground and plant a small garden MYSELF (learned from my good father) and cook more with beans, rice, and grains to make healthy soups. I'll end up eating better in the end.

Those knee replacements need to be examined . . . try to get an appointment or a phone consultation. Enough of the advice from me.

How are you all doing? Other than the fiasco at Walmart, that is. Thank God for those two ladies who came to your assistance. . . . angels. I hope you are being self-protective even though I know that many 'aren't worried'. My medical family says 'be worried' and I listen to them these days, you bet. You take care, call those doctors and keep them informed. Thank God Judy is there with you.
Be safe.

Anonymous said...

Rex Ray,

I'm not bad mouthing you. I'm genuinely concerned about you.

My dad died at 88 of dementia.

Anonymous said...

Wade said:

"I just received word from the Oklahoma Blood Institute that I tested POSITVE for SARS 2 COVID-19 antibodies.

That means I had COVID-19 and recovered and now have antibodies."

Really? Respectfully, I'm baffled why you could be so confident in that conclusion based on an extremely suspicious and faulty testing procedure. David Crowe insists this testing is not REAL science whatsoever:

http://theinfectiousmyth.com/coronavirus/AntibodyTestingForCOVID.pdf

Dr. Andrew Kaufman rightfully concludes that since the virus was not absolutely isolated (peer reviewed papers were using subjective language to confirm...like every other virus), then any subsequent testing procedures have a zero percent reliability.

Furthermore, Kaufman has pointed out the little picture of what covid-19 virus looks like is the same size and shape of an exosome - that little mechanism every one of us produce when our cells detoxify. John Hopkins HIV researchers have use the term virus and exosome interchangeably.

This is how fraudulent gov-funded science has accomplished the world-wide shutdown of the economy. Need a study to prove your narrative? Simply throw a bunch of money and funding at an morally corrupt institutions and research centers.

Dr. Roberts says: "Americans need to come to grips with how money has corrupted everything. So many of the people and institutions we formerly relied on to speak truthfully are now dependent on grants from corporations, government agencies, and self-interested donors with agendas that truth is the casualty. Yes, scientists will now lie for money. Universities will produce “studies” that advance the donor’s agenda. Physicists dependent on Washington’s grants will hold their tongues when presented with obviously false claims...."

https://www.globalresearch.ca/cost-big-pharma-covid-19-vaccine-paid-lives-billions/5712409

ken

RB Kuter said...

CM, my point was not to belabor the minute differences and aspects of one bug against the other or even to propose what epidemic might have been more severe than another. The point intended is that flu epidemics occur annually and COVID 19 is no worse than some from the past and not even as bad as some in the past.

This fall we will have another flu outbreak, different than COVID 19, with hundreds of thousands of people in the US infected and thousands dying from complications from whatever flu virus strain that surfaces. 2021 will be the same, 2022, and each year following that. Some years there will be more aggressive strains resulting in more deaths than in some previous years. This is as predictable a pattern as the common cold which occurs more frequently in the fall and winter months every single year.

You can get a COVID 19 vaccine in 2022 but who cares? That would be like getting a flu shot this year using a vaccine targeted for the flu virus 3 years ago. The COVID 19 flu will have passed and we'll be into a different one hoping that the annual flu vaccine for that year will offer some protection. It's not like getting a smallpox, measles, or chicken pox vaccination and then it goes away.

Regardless of the argument related to the degree of the illnesses, the bigger concern for me is the extreme, unprecedented, intervention of government into society to assert control and its authority at the expense of yours and my personal liberty. This is a sign for just how far government with its politicians and stealth power players are willing to go and how vulnerable and unprotected we citizens are. The Constitution is rendered useless in the guise of the government "protecting" society from vile health threats.

You can defend the out of control, exaggerated response and force of power by the Government by saying it is for the well being of citizens all day and night but you are falling into a treacherous pit. That is like supporting politicians who say that you are not intelligent enough to vote and decide who will be your representative in government so the government will facilitate its own method for filling those positions without your involvement and it is "for your own good".

Why not use the same logic and support the government being able to sterilize all women or men with a certain DNA because their offspring will likely be criminals like their parents? Why not confiscate and put highly gifted children under government guardianship and programs in order to maximize their productivity? Outlaw any religious gatherings over 10 people to eliminate "movements" that might oppose government strategies that are protecting the society and maintaining unity and harmony consistent with the state's ideology?

Blindly buy in to the preposterous propaganda coming from those in power and you are placing your life, liberty and well being and that of your descendants into their hands. We better be demanding answers now and holding the system accountable for what appears to be an unsubstantiated, ill-conceived, and man-engineered destructive ploy for devious intent to minimize the threat of it re-occuring.

RB Kuter said...

Just out: "“I think a lot of clinicians are putting that condition (COVID-19) on death certificates when it might not be accurate because they died with coronavirus and not of coronavirus,” Macomb County, Mich., Chief Medical Examiner Daniel Spitz in an interview with the Ann Arbor News last month."

Anonymous said...

For those with difficulty obtaining goods: check your local Walmart and local stores. Many across the country allow you to purchase online, pick up outside the store with non contact delivery. Target delivers many grocery items free to your door. Try Instacart--there is a bit of a charge, yes, but sure beats risking disease since we are in the high risk group.

Science can be very helpful, far more helpful than the opinions of the chafing at the bit housebound type A among us.

There is good evidence that when 80% of a population wear masks, you get 1/12 the deaths. Let that sink in. Divide our current total by 12 and tell me straight up your freedom to not wear a mask is worth that many deaths.

Re OK opening: the nature of the beast is we won't know until another 2 to 4 weeks what effect opening may have had. And even then, assuming no rise or even drop, we do not know how much of that is seasonality and how bad OK will be bitten in the butt come fall. Or not.

We absolutely did need to close the economy. Problem was it was done late and wrong. We could have shut down hard at the beginning, all international and internal travel closed, used the same tests the rest of the world used instead of botching ours, and implemented more contact tracing. We need to criminalize breaking quarantine. Our state had confirmed cases continuing to be out and about, or their families going to parties, recitals, and shopping. No good. (And we abut OK.) Had we done those, plus making masks mandatory in public, along with strict social distancing and sanitary measures, we could have opened up weeks ago with less risk than we have now.

Strong public health measures done right are very effective. Wishful thinking "it will just go away" and "opening schools is tantalizing even with an increased mortality of 2 to 3%" or "everyone who wants a test can get a test" when that is a flat out lie don't help.

Wade, I cannot imagine ever again trusting you or recommending your books regarding spiritual things. Your innate trait of rebellion against authority has shown itself for what it is during this epidemic. I do not see you modelling Jesus, caring for the oldest, the most at risk, or the sickest. I have not seen (correct me if I am wrong!) you crusading for the health and welfare of the front line workers like paramedics, meat cutters, grocery store workers, or truckers. Rather, I see you engaging in what my Bible tells me is "as the sin of witchcraft." I hate to say it but from my point of view, with a paramedic and a meat cutter and some old geezers and geezerettes and educators and students in my family, you are coming across with a bad case of "intellectual privilege". Coming across as angry because when the choice was lives or money, lives were chosen. Figuring you know not only how the SBC should be run but now how the whole world should be run. And that you know more and are smarter than the hundreds if not thousands in our government that have been making these decisions.

(To the peanut gallery: just shush. Wade and I have been crossing swords and learning from each other since the old days on BaptistLife for around 15 years. Its ok. We speak our minds and sharpen our swords.)

You are my brother in Christ Wade but I have a challenge for you: can you take a 30 day fast from crusading to change society? I remember when you wrote some of the deepest theological posts I have read from modern writers, and beat the ruffled laced shirts off many dead white guys. For 30 days would you NOT tell us about what is wrong in the world, but go back to telling us about Jesus. Those of us out in the trenches counted on that and we need that Wade back. Preach Jesus. Teach Jesus. The other stuff doesn't matter in eternity like that does!

linda

Anonymous said...

Masks As Condensed Symbols

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/masks-as-condensed-symbols-coronavirus/

"One is that a lot of the more thoughtful mask-skeptics are treating this as an ideological discussion and not as an actual, life-and-death issue, which I think is very emblematic of Ross Douthat’s decadent society–we can’t rouse ourselves out of this torpor where everything is theoretical and slotted into endlessly recycled partisan internet fights."

"This has marked a lot of conservative discourse on the topic to me–everything has to be about the pink police state, or the obnoxiousness of masking scolds, as though we are just debating on Facebook and not in a literal once-in-a-century crisis that’s killed almost 100,000 people in 9 weeks. A lot of the conservative takes I read offer these theoretical arguments but then on the level of actual “does masking work?” data, the quality declines precipitously."

One Salient Oversight

Anonymous said...

" A lot of the conservative takes I read offer these theoretical arguments but then on the level of actual “does masking work?” data, the quality declines precipitously.""

OSO - Not that I label myself as conservative - I don't have to argue on theory that long-term (every day) mask use is biologically asinine.

Due to EPA regs the automotive industry long ago has succumbed to asinine engineering when they started using EGR valves to reduce NOx (smog) emissions. Though they definitely accomplished that goal, the side effects of a higher internal combustion chamber temperatures, coking of the intake manifolds in some diesels like the 1.9 VW TDI, harmful carbon buildup in expensive parts - costing vehicle owners more downtime and parts in the long-term, shortening the life expectancy of the engine, etc. actually outweighs by far any gain from the EGR. There are better ways to lower NOx.

So a biological example of an EGR valve would be someone inserting a hose into their rectum and breathing in any flatulence that would be occurring not randomly, but 24/7. Masks do similar in that they constantly recirculate CO2 (your exhaust) which induces hypoxia to some degree or another, depending on how active you are. Not good for your immune system.

BTW- I do have experience with O2 and immune system function having bought and built hyperbaric oxygen chambers. They are a good piece of the pie when it comes to having a strong immune system. Too bad GOV isn't recommending them for that use.

ken

RB Kuter said...

I am not qualified to render advice to my brothers and sisters in Christ regarding controlling our passion on various topics, doctrine, etc., because I too step over the line at times. But I will still venture to say that a level of caution is very appropriate in the tone and expression of our positions. To risk offending a fellow believer by judging the intent and spirit of their heart is a very dangerous thing no matter how important we believe the topic to be. Fine to question their conclusions but questioning the sincerity of their devotion to Christ is another.

Victorious said...

Well said, RB!

Anonymous said...

a piece of fruit, a bird and a goat all test positive. Reliable tests?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecnhKrO9RaQ

Ken

Anonymous said...

Ken,

An N95 mask is not a seal that prevents the wearer from breathing air. You are not continually re-breathing your own CO2. If this was the case, then those who wear them continually in their profession, such as nurses and surgeons, would have dropped into unconsciousness on the job.

An N95 mask is a filtration device. When a person with a mask breathes in, they are breathing in air from directly outside the mask. But when they breathe in, droplets and particulates in the air are caught in the fine fabric. When the person breathes out, their breath exits through the same fine fabric, and prevents any particulates and droplets from the person from reaching the air.

This is why masks are effective at controlling the virus. Uninfected people with masks can prevent breathing in any virus hanging in the atmosphere. Infected people with masks on prevent the virus from escaping into the air around them to infect others.

One Salient Oversight

Rex Ray said...

Ken,

I don’t know what’s going on, but it looks like our ‘debate’ on post 5-13-20 will not allow any more comments. So, I’m continuing our conversation here.

You said McVeigh was a patsy like Oswald. This is what made Oswald a patsy:
Tague’s book page numbers as (#) and my comments in [ ] will prove a ‘conspiracy’.
1. Photograph of Texas Department of Public Safety showed two spent rounds and one live round in the ‘sniper’s nest’. (#279) [“live” means the rifle firing pin had not made a dent in the round; only the lead and powder had been removed.]
2. [No one knew JFK would pass the School Book Depository (SBDB) at 12:30.] Four employees saw Oswald reading a newspaper on the first floor at 11:50. (#47)
3. Oswald asked James Jarman JR. why people were gathering outside. Jarman answered, and Oswald said, “Oh, I see.” (#46)
4. Carolyn Arnold saw Oswald eating in the lunchroom on the second floor at 12:15 which was 15 minutes before JFK was killed. (#47).
5. Marrion Baker, policeman, thought the shooter was on the roof but had to take the stairs because the two elevators were at the 5th floor and the electricity was off for 3 minutes (which let assassins hide their guns and escape on the elevator.) Baker pulled a gun on Oswald in the lunchroom on the 2th floor 75 seconds after first shot was fired. Oswald appeared calm. (#44) Manager told Baker Oswald was an employee. Oswald bought a soda from a soft-drink-machine. Baker continued up the stairs to the 5th floor and saw one elevator had gone down. He took the other elevator to the 7th floor. (#373)
6. Vickie Adams and Sandra Styles were watching through a window on the 4th floor as shots were fired. They immediately went down the stairs and outside without seeing anyone. (#214)
7. If Oswald had shot Kennedy from the 6th floor, he’d had to hide his rifle on the 5th floor, and be in the lunchroom in 75 seconds without being out of breath. Also, since the women had a head start of two floors, he would have the impossible task of running past them without being seen. (#217)

Rex Ray said...

8. After drinking the soda, Oswald casually walked out of the front door and caught a bus. After the bus got stalled in traffic, he got a taxi but not before waiting for the bus driver to give him a transfer that was stamped 12:40 which was on him when he was arrested.) (#95) [Would a killer on the run wait for a bus transfer?]
9. Attorney General of Texas, Waggoner Carr, said Oswald was hired by the FBI in September 1962 as an informant with a salary of $200 a month. (#179)
10. The FBI got Oswald a job at the Texas State Depository Building (October 15, 1963…five weeks before the assassination. (#205)
11. Head of the FBI, J. Edgar Hoover, secret memo that was written within minutes of Oswald’s death to all FBI Departments, stated “Our job is to convince the American public that Oswald is the real assassin. (p. 285)
12. Tague wrote (#97): “It is evident to me that the taxi ride to Oak Cliff [to his apartment] gave Oswald a moment to think. Oswald knew he had been put at the Texas State Depository Building for a certain reason; now in the taxi, he figured things out and he panicked knowing he had been sent there to be a patsy.” [TV quoted him saying: “I’m a patsy.”]
13. Oswald rushed in and out of his room so fast, his landlady, Earlene Roberts said, “My, you’re sure in a hurry.” (#95) [He probably got his pistol. He was accused of shooting a policeman, but his bullets didn’t match.]
14. “A theater cashier called police and reported a suspicious wild-looking man had entered the Texas Theater.” (#96) [In the lunchroom, Oswald faced a policeman’s gun and stayed clam because he hadn’t done anything wrong, but now fear of being a ‘patsy’ had him looking for someplace to hide.]
Ken, big, big, difference between Oswald and McVeigh. Oswald didn’t have any hatred toward JFK, whereas McVeigh hated the Federal Government for what they did at Ruby Ridge and Waco. I’m sure you know the horror of innocent lives killed there.

No one told authorities that McVeigh was guilty. He was caught by him making a mistake. He parked his vehicle too close and its license plate was knocked off.

He was stopped by police because the license plate was missing. The policeman arrested him because he saw ‘materials’ for making explosives. Those materials were used at his trial to help convict him.
Ken, McVeigh was no patsy.

Anonymous said...

good grief

Rex Ray said...

Anonymous,

“Good grief” is right!

Usually Ken is right on target, but this time he believes Bill Clinton as President was responsible for the Oklahoma Federal Building destruction 25 years ago.

Wade was one of the first responders. Wonder what he thinks.

Anonymous said...

"An N95 mask is not a seal that prevents the wearer from breathing air. You are not continually re-breathing your own CO2. If this was the case, then those who wear them continually in their profession, such as nurses and surgeons, would have dropped into unconsciousness on the job."

OSO - I'm very familiar with the N95 (with the exhaust valve) having worn them routinely for decades. Gov wants you to wear the ones without the valve so more of your droplets get caught in the fabric (vs. out the valve) which makes your recycling of your own CO2 even worse - which leads to hypoxia to some degree or another. Remember - not all of your CO2 gets discharged out from underneath the mask. That's why people are crashing cars while wearing masks.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/24/driver-crashes-car-after-passing-out-from-wearing-n95-mask/

Hypoxia has been proven to lead to dementia and alzheimers. It's also the reason why under severe stress we start short changing ourselves with our breathing and make irrational decisions - like LEO's often do in civilian shootings. Ken

CM said...

Once again Ken is pulling conspiracy BS out of his rear again.

In regards to Dr. Kauffman, I present this point-by-point rebuttal:

https://medium.com/@achosenlife/10-things-a-conspiracy-theorist-taught-me-about-the-novel-coronavirus-98224413ed38

Kauffman needs the tin-foil more so than Ken.

Anonymous said...

Science fails us?????

Take a look at THIS truly unscientific 'reasoning':

""Don’t forget, we have more cases than anybody in the world. But why? Because we do more testing,” Trump said. “When you test, you have a case. When you test, you find something is wrong with people. If we didn’t do any testing, we would have very few cases. They [the media] don’t want to write that.”"



And boy howdy does it NOT work that way

CM said...

Anonymous,

Maybe Trump should get something like this:

https://imgur.com/r/TheFarSideGallery/AF4M3c6

RB Kuter said...

Rex Ray, the question to ask is often, "Should we stand by and let it take its course or intervene and risk doing more damage?" i.e., Brother Hez. What would have happened had he not taken the doctor's advice? Would he have died then, or was it better to eat the prescribed meds and kill his kidneys? Am guessing that did extend his life, right?

Anonymous said...

https://www.facebook.com/LincolnParkPoliceDepartment/posts/1171691036506303

"It was stated in the original post that we "believed" the excessive wearing of an N95 mask was a contributing factor to this accident. While we don't know this with 100% certainty, we do know that the driver had been wearing an N95 mask inside the vehicle for several hours and ultimately passed out while operating the vehicle. We also know that nothing was uncovered at the accident scene that would suggest that the driver was under the influence of drugs or alcohol. All this being said, It is certainly possible that some other medical reason could've contributed to the driver passing out. We are not trying to cause public alarm or suggest wearing an N95 mask is unsafe. The original point of the post was to state that in most cases, the wearing of this type of mask while operating a vehicle with no other occupants is unnecessary."

OSO

Christiane said...

WADE,

a quote about science you might agree with, this:

"IN SCIENCE, WE HAVE BEEN READING ONLY THE NOTES TO A POEM;
IN CHRISTIANITY, WE FIND THE POEM ITSELF."

(C.S. Lewis, 'Miracles')


In my Church, God is both the God of the Natural World and of the Supernatural World. So there is no contradiction. The Creator, ex nihilo, has His Hand also in the unfolding and the holding-together of all that is created and resting in His Hands, is the life of all created beings.

As for those who 'study' God's creation in the natural world, there is this to think about:

"...methodical research in all branches of knowledge, provided it is carried out in a truly scientific manner and does not override moral laws, can never conflict with the faith, because the things of the world and the things of faith derive from the same God.
The humble and persevering investigator of the secrets of nature is being led, as it were, by the hand of God in spite of himself, for it is God, the conserver of all things, who made them what they are."
from 'Gaudium et Spes', a pastoral letter.

I also find much meaning in this quote:
"Though faith is above reason, there can never be any real discrepancy between faith and reason. Since the same God who reveals mysteries and infuses faith has bestowed the light of reason on the human mind, God cannot deny himself, nor can truth ever contradict truth".

Anonymous said...

" QAnon carries on a tradition of apocalyptic thinking that has spanned thousands of years. It offers a polemic to empower those who feel adrift.
Many of the people most prone to believing conspiracy theories see themselves as victim-warriors fighting against corrupt and powerful forces. They share a hatred of mainstream elites. That helps explain why cycles of populism and conspiracy thinking seem to rise and fall together. Conspiracy thinking is at once a cause and a consequence of what Richard Hofstadter in 1964 famously described as “the paranoid style” in American politics. But do not make the mistake of thinking that conspiracy theories are scribbled only in the marginalia of American history. They color every major news event: the assassination of John F. Kennedy, the moon landing, 9/11. They have helped sustain consequential eruptions, such as McCarthyism in the 1950s and anti-Semitism at any moment you choose. But QAnon is different. It may be propelled by paranoia and populism, but it is also propelled by religious faith. The language of evangelical Christianity has come to define the Q movement. QAnon marries an appetite for the conspiratorial with positive beliefs about a radically different and better future, one that is preordained."

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/06/qanon-nothing-can-stop-what-is-coming/610567/

Rex Ray said...

RB Kuter,

Yes, Hez would have died if he had not taken the doctor’s advice. His life was extended, but too much medicine destroyed his kidneys. Yesterday, we saw on U-tube the Fairbanks, Alaska High School he taught in many years had added him to their Hall of Fame. They showed many pictures and achievements he had accomplished in helping their youth.

Thanks for asking.

GladsomeHeart said...

R.B. Kuter,

I find this comment "I am not qualified to render advice to my brothers and sisters in Christ regarding controlling our passion on various topics, doctrine, etc., because I too step over the line at times. But I will still venture to say that a level of caution is very appropriate in the tone and expression of our positions. To risk offending a fellow believer by judging the intent and spirit of their heart is a very dangerous thing no matter how important we believe the topic to be. Fine to question their conclusions but questioning the sincerity of their devotion to Christ is another" laughable considering how you attacked me so personally in such an ugly manner a week or so ago.

One Salient Oversight said...

Gladsome,

RB Kuter felt that YOU were attacking HIM, which is why he replied in such a way.

Neither of you seemed to have read the posts of each other properly.

RB Kuter said...

Well, Gladsome and One Salient, as important as Gladsome is to me and even though I always take his comments to heart, the quote that he gave of my saying that "we all need to be careful about offending brothers and sisters due to our passion regarding issues" (paraphrase) in this post, was not in the least bit related to former comments between Gladsome and myself. It came to mind due to some heated comments on this post stream. Again, Gladsome, you are important to me but I had totally forgotten our former exchange and am sorry that it continues to bother you.

By the way, however I may have expressed my position that offended you a week or so ago, I apologize for hurting your feelings. I'll go back and look for it to see what I wrote that was offensive and try to mend my ways.

RB Kuter said...

Wow, Rex Ray, Hez must have really been something! What an honor and tribute to his servant heart.

Christiane said...

for all those who would follow others politically, this reminder:

"“The great illusion of leadership is to think that man can be led out of the desert by someone who has never been there.”

― Henri J.M. Nouwen, The Wounded Healer: Ministry in Contemporary Society

Anonymous said...

“Human beings are full of retroviruses,” he said, “We don’t know if it is hundreds or thousands or hundreds of thousands. We’ve only recently started to look for them. But they’ve never killed anybody before. People have always survived retroviruses.”

" “The novel coronavirus, or COVID-19, has been spreading worldwide, resulting in growing numbers of infected individuals since late 2019 and increased mortality numbers since early 2020. So far, experts have seen that while there are severe cases, the infection is usually mild with non-specific symptoms. ***And there are no trademark clinical features of COVID-19 infection***.”

"“You have to have a whopping amount of any organism to cause symptoms. Huge amounts of it,” Dr. David Rasnick, bio-chemist, protease developer, and former founder of an EM lab called Viral Forensics told me. “You don’t start with testing; you start with listening to the lungs. I’m skeptical that a PRC test is ever true. It’s a great scientific research tool. It’s a horrible tool for clinical medicine. 30% of your infected cells have been killed before you show symptoms. By the time you show symptoms…the dead cells are generating the symptoms.”

"I asked Dr. Rasnick what advice he has for people who want to be tested for COVID-19.
“Don’t do it, I say, when people ask me,” he replies. “No healthy person should be tested. It means nothing but it can destroy your life, make you absolutely miserable.”

"“In one paper,” Crowe says, “I found 37 cycles. If you didn’t get enough fluorescence by 37 cycles, you are considered negative. In another, paper, the cutoff was 36. Thirty-seven to 40 were considered “indeterminate.” And if you got in that range, then you did more testing. I’ve only seen two papers that described what the limit was. So, it’s quite possible that different hospitals, different States, Canada versus the US, Italy versus France are all using different cutoff sensitivity standards of the Covid test. So, if you cut off at 20, everybody would be negative. If you cut off a 50, you might have everybody positive.”

Anonymous said...

the above quotes taken from: https://uncoverdc.com/2020/04/07/was-the-covid-19-test-meant-to-detect-a-virus/

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V1Im7jsW9_Y&t=17s

Much of "science" has been and is destroying many lives right now. Going to get worse.

Christ is our only hope! Ken

Christiane said...

Hello Ken,

I think that the people in my family who serve as physicians, including a Navy doctor, and a child psychiatrist, and nurse practitioners, and a Navy nurse are people who are honorable and decent human persons whose motto is 'at least do no harm'.

They have studied and trained for years for their professional work and they are not the kind of people who 'destroy many lives right now' . . . quite the opposite. Please know that our front-line medical people, including nurses' aides, EMT's and trained police officers who sometimes deliver babies when necessary are all people who HELP or attempt to HELP those in need of care, not hurt them.

St. Luke was a companion and disciple of St. Paul. He wrote the Holy Gospel of St. Luke and the Book of Acts. St. Luke was a PHYSICIAN.

Ken, the medical sciences are not intended to hurt people, no. God forbid we look at our doctors and our nurses with contempt, as many of them devote their lives to their work for their patients. Pray for them, if you will. But please don't have contempt for what they are trying to do. Please.

Scott Shaver said...

The "contempt" is for methdology in partnership with the state. Not for their skill, service or knowledge.

And for millions, the contempt is understandable.

Rex Ray said...

Today, a friend called Judy asking to take her to the hospital as she had fallen and was afraid her back was broken. Judy is still waiting in the parking lot since the hospital won’t let anyone in but patients.

Have you heard this story?

Trump invited the Pope on his yacht. The Pope’s head-gear blew in the water. Trump retrieved it by walking on water. All the Democrat newspaper headlines were: “Trump can’t swim!”

CM said...

Rex Ray,

Maybe if Trump didn't pull sh*t out of his a*s everyday and make sh*t up, people would believe him. Maybe if Trump's ego didn't demand that he must be right all the time about everything, that he knows better than everyone else, and that he is the smartest, bestest, cleverest person ever to grace the Oval Office people would cut him some slack.

Sharpiegate perfectly illustrates Trumps' childish behavior.

RB Kuter said...

""“The great illusion of leadership is to think that man can be led out of the desert by someone who has never been there.”

Good luck on finding any of these career politicians who have been "in the desert".

RB Kuter said...

Rex Ray, I'm going to have to pass that Pope/Trump joke on FB. Hilarious.

Rex Ray said...

“The great illusion of leadership is to think that man can be led out of the desert by someone who has never been there.”

If we switch desert to wilderness, Moses did a pretty good job with the Lord’s help.

CM,
Do you feel ‘bigger’ by criticizing someone ‘higher on the ladder’ than you? Wonder why you’re not President?

RB Kuter,
I heard the Trump story from my brother-in-law, Rollie Rinker. He is a good singer. Instead of a School Teacher and Principle for 30 years, he could of have been a ‘Johnny Carson’ with his ‘twisted sense of humor’. For examples:

While speaking at an assemble in high school, he said he was going to sing his and his wife’s favorite love song and to bear with him because he might get a little emotional.

“Cigarettes and whiskey and wild wild women, they’ll drive you crazy, they’ll drive you insane…”

Our Dad asked him at his funeral someday would he sing “I’ll Fly Away”.
“Dave, I couldn’t do that.”
“Why not?”
“I’d get too tickled.”

A teacher came into his office very angry.
“I heard a lot of laughing going on in the boy’s restroom. I went in and they were having a contest who could go the highest on the wall.”
“What did you do?”
“I hit the ceiling!”
“Did you win?”

He and his wife were taking a physical. The nurse told my sister to put a robe on and for Rollie to take his shirt off.
He said, “I can’t do that.”
“Why not?”
“My wife gets too excited.”

I’ll bet she wanted to kill him.

CM said...

Rex,

I call BS wherever I see it. Unlike you and all the other "faux conservatives" who find every excuse to defend and justify the behavior of the unregenerate pagan we have in the White House. But I guess SCOTUS judges are more important than sullying the church, that bowl of political porridge is more important than your birthright. But keep at it, the Evangelical Christian Right in the US will soon be as irrelevant and impotent as the Christian Left (who has been irrelevant for decades).

And you wonder why the fastest growing groups in religion surveys are the "Nones" and the "Dones"?

The Babylon Bee rightly points this out in their satire (here are but 2 links):

https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-i-have-done-more-for-christianity-than-jesus

https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-criticizes-jesus-for-rejecting-tremendous-deal-with-satan

Anonymous said...

"Ken, the medical sciences are not intended to hurt people, no."

Christiane - It seems to me as if you didn't read the article I took the quotes from, so correct me if I'm wrong, please.

By using the PCR testing method in a way that it was never intended for (per the inventor's testimony), "science" (and the system as Scott aluded to) is destroying lives by the millions throughout the world. Why are there not far more doctors and nurses coming forwards and exposing the multitudes of duplicity with this so called pandemic? Are they so afraid of getting reprimanded, loss of license or funding, or job?

“The man who is swimming against the stream knows the strength of it.” Woodrow Wilson

History is going to repeat itself - advancements made in science is only going to make it easier to genocide far more people in this century than it already has. 262 billion in the 20th, which doesn't include all the aborted babies. https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM

"Just to give perspective on this incredible murder by government, if all these bodies were laid head to toe, with the average height being 5', then they would circle the earth ten times. Also, this democide murdered 6 times more people than died in combat in all the foreign and internal wars of the century. Finally, given popular estimates of the dead in a major nuclear war, this total democide is as though such a war did occur, but with its dead spread over a century."

It's a shame the ones that are speaking up and questioning the official narrative are labeled as conspiracy theorist or tin foil hat wearers.

"When evil is legal, become a criminal. When oppression is enacted as 'law' (or executive order), become a lawbreaker." Larken Rose

Ken








Christiane said...

KEN,
if I have mis-read your words and misunderstood you, please forgive me. It was not my intent to do so. I think, in the current atmosphere of fear and confusion, I see somethings as attacks on the honor of my family who have devoted their lives to the care of those who are ill and need help. I was defending them, or so I thought. I do not wish to misunderstand anyone. If I have upset you, I am very sorry for it. God bless and keep you safe.

Anonymous said...

Did a Vaccine Experiment on U.S. Soldiers Cause the (1918) “Spanish Flu”? (link).

‘The pandemic was not flu. An estimated 95% (or higher) of the deaths were caused by bacterial pneumonia, not influenza/a virus’.
‘The pandemic was not Spanish. The first cases of bacterial pneumonia in 1918 trace back to a military base in Fort Riley, Kansas’.
‘From January 21 – June 4, 1918, an experimental bacterial meningitis vaccine cultured in horses by the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research in New York was injected into soldiers at Fort Riley’.
‘According to a 2008 National Institute of Health paper, bacterial pneumonia was the killer in a minimum of 92.7% of the 1918-19 autopsies reviewed. It is likely higher than 92.7%’.

Does anyone still want Bill Gates’ experimental vaccine for COVID-19?

https://paulthepaperbear.wordpress.com/2020/05/19/your-alternative-update-on-covid-19-for-2020-05-19-did-a-vaccine-experiment-on-u-s-soldiers-cause-1918-flu/

Ken

Anonymous said...

No offense taken, Christiane! I certainly understand. :)

Ken

Rex Ray said...

CM,
Where were you when Obama was President?

Check this link.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion/gIAuQ96Huts

“As the Holy Koran tells us, “Be conscious of God and speak always the truth.” (President Obama in Cairo)

Obama’s words convict him of being a Muslim

1.“The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.”
2. “America is not – and will never be – at war with Islam.”
3. “The sweetest sound is the Muslim call to prayer.”
4. “Islam is not part of the problem in combating violent extremism.”
5. “We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith.”
6. “I have known Islam on three continents.”
7. “I know civilization’s debt to Islam.”
8. “Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance.”
9. “Islam has always been part of America.”
11. “My responsibility as President is to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam.”
12. “The Holy Koran tells us...”

CM said...

Rex,

I was just as critical of Obama when he was POTUS. I was not posting in blogs until last year (after a more than 10 year absence). Your whataboutism is pathetic in defense of your Orange Dear Leader.

I took it as a given that Obama was also an unregenerate pagan. In Trump's case, you have his Court Evangelical Leaders on his Evangelical Advisory Board and all his followers like you pushing the idea that somehow Trump is a Christian. The facts speak otherwise, especially when the person vouching for Trump's conversion is Prosperity Gospel heretic Paula White (who is not only the chair of this Advisory Board but is also Trump's personal spiritual advisor). You also have people like Robert Jeffress, Franklin Graham, and others you conveniently endorse Paula White's book. I guess the fact they sit on the same board in which Paula White is chair and has the ear of Trump is more important than Biblical Truth.

Again, the Babylon Bee is spot on this:

https://babylonbee.com/news/satan-endorses-paula-whites-new-book

https://babylonbee.com/news/paula-white-advising-trump-name-jesus-personal-gain

https://babylonbee.com/news/james-dobson-claims-ancient-god-cthulhu-baby-christian

CM said...

Rex,

If Obama was a Muslim that would make him just as unregenerate as anybody else who has not come to Christ. That would include Jews, Buddhists, atheists, and others. Your point being? That being said, there is no religious test for public office to that pesky thing known as the Constitution.

Let me ask you this. You and most of those Evangelical Christians would not want a Muslim to speak at a pulpit at your church, so why so many OK with a Mormon (Glenn Beck) or a Jew (Bibi Netanyahu) doing the same? The pulpit in the church has been been used for the Proclamation of God's Word by teachers in the Body of Christ. But I guess ignoring that is OK if your politics align.

Anonymous said...

help for the helpless? or maybe just some food for thought?


https://youtu.be/WoYjIDwbzLY

Rex Ray said...

CM,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause
“Status as a natural-born citizen of the United States is one of the eligibility requirements established in the United States Constitution for holding the office of president or vice president.”

Obama was not born in the United States, but was born in Kenia. His grandmother said she was in the delivery room when he was born in Kenya.

https://www.amazon.com/Obama-Birth-Certificate-Conspiracy-America/dp/1450596797
“There are many pieces of evidence proving President Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya, African and not Hawaii as he claims. For instance, his alleged Hawaii birth certificate is clearly a forged document.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Font

“In metal typesetting, a font was a particular size, weight and style of a typeface.”

CM, the font on Obama’s birth certificate did not exist in Hawaii at that time.